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#5391
I don't believe bad people slip in. Delta hires people very intentionally. Are there head scratchers? Absolutely, but to reiterate my point that's on Delta which is why it's such a highly tailored, customized process. Unless you were involved in the hiring of those people you mentioned, you have no real reason to bring up their situations. Fact is you don't really know how it all went down or why they were hired.
Furthermore, yes, good people get turned away. However, I'm of the belief that's because of their interview shortcomings or succumbing to the pressures of the process. Every OTS applicant has to meet a minimum score in each of the 4 parts (not sure about SSP or the flow guys). If they don't, they don't get hired. Pretty cut and dry. From everything I've ever heard/read of the process, there's absolutely no room in entire interview program that allows AK or anyone in his department to look past bad scores and use emotion or hunches to hire people. We can thank the lawyers for that.
Furthermore, yes, good people get turned away. However, I'm of the belief that's because of their interview shortcomings or succumbing to the pressures of the process. Every OTS applicant has to meet a minimum score in each of the 4 parts (not sure about SSP or the flow guys). If they don't, they don't get hired. Pretty cut and dry. From everything I've ever heard/read of the process, there's absolutely no room in entire interview program that allows AK or anyone in his department to look past bad scores and use emotion or hunches to hire people. We can thank the lawyers for that.
#5392
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Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
Your statement would be more accurate if Delta did all the hiring. Not everyone has gone through the same hiring process. How about affording any airline that DAL buys the same interview that the NWA or Western Airline pilots received at Delta? Why the double standards for the same jobs? What ever happened to What ever DAL owns must be flown by a DAL pilot? I guess as long as benefits DAL and their pilots it doesn't matter. Scope used to be around 30. Great job taking the flying back
We are in no way talking about past practices. I'm not sure how you got that out of this conversation. No one implied anything about past hiring practices. This is all about the hiring over the last few years. Anyone who assumes that all hiring over the course of a company's existence is uniform is grossly mistaken.
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Hi all - looking for some advice from you experts. I'm a MIL aviator that retired this month, but unfortunately I've been flying a desk for the past 7 years (War College, Joint Command, shore command) and haven't touched the controls during this time. Also, my flight time is not at the same level as my fellow retired aviators since I started out in the back seat. I'm currently at ~1700TT/820TPIC (with no MIL conversion) and was an IP and NATOPS Instructor with about 175 carrier arrested landings.
I live in Greenville, SC and don't want to relocate since I finally get to live near my young son since his mother moved here years ago. By location, PSA seems to be the best fit, but I just finished reading the "PSA Info" thread (all 340 pages...whew!) and in general, they are not a happy bunch. The difference in the tone of this Endeavor thread is stark, but getting hired at Endeavor would involve commuting for me.
Another factor that is part of my decision-making:
- Between my pension and my wife's employment, my priority is QOL over salary, but I do want to get to the majors some day to set us up for a comfortable retirement.
The way I see it, I've got 3 primary choices if I want to fly:
1) PSA (low salary/poor management/decent QOL if I get CLT unless I'm on reserve for a long time)
2) Another regional without a horrendous commute (are there any for me?)
3) Instructing (no benefits/low salary)
What would you recommend? Is it better to have a commute to a known schedule or drive 1.5 hours to CLT to sit reserve for a long time? Appreciate the guidance!
I live in Greenville, SC and don't want to relocate since I finally get to live near my young son since his mother moved here years ago. By location, PSA seems to be the best fit, but I just finished reading the "PSA Info" thread (all 340 pages...whew!) and in general, they are not a happy bunch. The difference in the tone of this Endeavor thread is stark, but getting hired at Endeavor would involve commuting for me.
Another factor that is part of my decision-making:
- Between my pension and my wife's employment, my priority is QOL over salary, but I do want to get to the majors some day to set us up for a comfortable retirement.
The way I see it, I've got 3 primary choices if I want to fly:
1) PSA (low salary/poor management/decent QOL if I get CLT unless I'm on reserve for a long time)
2) Another regional without a horrendous commute (are there any for me?)
3) Instructing (no benefits/low salary)
What would you recommend? Is it better to have a commute to a known schedule or drive 1.5 hours to CLT to sit reserve for a long time? Appreciate the guidance!
#5395
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PM sent. Be wary what you ask for on APC, you may get more than bargained for! But BLUF... QoL is most important. And QoL begins by living where you work. Commuting sucks. Even on good days. If you can live in base, take a job that pays less, cuz you will make more in the end by spending time with your family.
Hi all - looking for some advice from you experts. I'm a MIL aviator that retired this month, but unfortunately I've been flying a desk for the past 7 years (War College, Joint Command, shore command) and haven't touched the controls during this time. Also, my flight time is not at the same level as my fellow retired aviators since I started out in the back seat. I'm currently at ~1700TT/820TPIC (with no MIL conversion) and was an IP and NATOPS Instructor with about 175 carrier arrested landings.
I live in Greenville, SC and don't want to relocate since I finally get to live near my young son since his mother moved here years ago. By location, PSA seems to be the best fit, but I just finished reading the "PSA Info" thread (all 340 pages...whew!) and in general, they are not a happy bunch. The difference in the tone of this Endeavor thread is stark, but getting hired at Endeavor would involve commuting for me.
Another factor that is part of my decision-making:
- Between my pension and my wife's employment, my priority is QOL over salary, but I do want to get to the majors some day to set us up for a comfortable retirement.
The way I see it, I've got 3 primary choices if I want to fly:
1) PSA (low salary/poor management/decent QOL if I get CLT unless I'm on reserve for a long time)
2) Another regional without a horrendous commute (are there any for me?)
3) Instructing (no benefits/low salary)
What would you recommend? Is it better to have a commute to a known schedule or drive 1.5 hours to CLT to sit reserve for a long time? Appreciate the guidance!
I live in Greenville, SC and don't want to relocate since I finally get to live near my young son since his mother moved here years ago. By location, PSA seems to be the best fit, but I just finished reading the "PSA Info" thread (all 340 pages...whew!) and in general, they are not a happy bunch. The difference in the tone of this Endeavor thread is stark, but getting hired at Endeavor would involve commuting for me.
Another factor that is part of my decision-making:
- Between my pension and my wife's employment, my priority is QOL over salary, but I do want to get to the majors some day to set us up for a comfortable retirement.
The way I see it, I've got 3 primary choices if I want to fly:
1) PSA (low salary/poor management/decent QOL if I get CLT unless I'm on reserve for a long time)
2) Another regional without a horrendous commute (are there any for me?)
3) Instructing (no benefits/low salary)
What would you recommend? Is it better to have a commute to a known schedule or drive 1.5 hours to CLT to sit reserve for a long time? Appreciate the guidance!
#5396
Does anyone that went through the newhires process recently know, how long on average from the day you accept the CJO until they send the PRIA to your current employer. Reason I ask is because the place I work at absolutely hates when someone is leaving or is trying to leave and you have to put up with various stages of harassment. Usually ranging between awkward conversations in the hallway to flat out harassment. So just wondering on the time frame on that.
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#5397
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Does anyone that went through the newhires process recently know, how long on average from the day you accept the CJO until they send the PRIA to your current employer. Reason I ask is because the place I work at absolutely hates when someone is leaving or is trying to leave and you have to put up with various stages of harassment. Usually ranging between awkward conversations in the hallway to flat out harassment. So just wondering on the time frame on that.
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#5398
I totally agree, the place treats their employees very well until they realize that someone is looking to get out. Besides them also having financial problems and having to hire a replacement costs money so I can understand their anger. But I got Aug 8th class at endeavor and really excited about coming over.
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