Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
06-15-2016, 03:12 PM
#5192
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06-15-2016, 04:05 PM
#5193
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Maybe if something changes, but from what I can tell all the captain positions will be taken by the pre-bankruptcy captains and fos who were not hired by the SSP. If so then how can a new hire ever expect to get a Delta interview if they are required to upgrade and then spend another two years as an endeavor captain before even being eligible for a chance at a delta interview?
06-15-2016, 04:13 PM
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Maybe if something changes, but from what I can tell all the captain positions will be taken by the pre-bankruptcy captains and fos who were not hired by the SSP. If so then how can a new hire ever expect to get a Delta interview if they are required to upgrade and then spend another two years as an endeavor captain before even being eligible for a chance at a delta interview?
What? Captains as well as FOs will continue to move on, even without the SSP program, meaning new hire FOs will continue to upgrade... The majors will be hiring record numbers of pilots.
06-15-2016, 04:14 PM
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The only way anyone upgrades is if captains leave or new planes are added. Short term 9E has added a few 200s and some captains have left. But in the very near future all SSP captains and fos remaining will have failed the delta ssp interview and not be leaving anytime soon. When the C Series orders start delivery in 2017 Delta will be removing regional flying and placing it on the mainline certificate. What future will a new hire have with a seniority list full of captains who couldn't pass the delta interview and a shrinking fleet of planes being sent to mainline? Retention bonuses expire right after the C Series deliveries start coming. The end of the regional model is here. How can you lifers justify pulling the wool over the eyes of new hires to screw them and prolong your own regional career long enough to retire while setting them up for failure with false hopes of high pay and quick upgrades and delta jobs when the truth is that none of that is likely to happen when facing the facts?!
06-15-2016, 04:20 PM
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The only way anyone upgrades is if captains leave or new planes are added. Short term 9E has added a few 200s and some captains have left. But in the very near future all SSP captains and fos remaining will have failed the delta ssp interview and not be leaving anytime soon. When the C Series orders start delivery in 2017 Delta will be removing regional flying and placing it on the mainline certificate. What future will a new hire have with a seniority list full of captains who couldn't pass the delta interview and a shrinking fleet of planes being sent to mainline? Retention bonuses expire right after the C Series deliveries start coming. The end of the regional model is here. How can you lifers justify pulling the wool over the eyes of new hires to screw them and prolong your own regional career long enough to retire while setting them up for failure with false hopes of high pay and quick upgrades and delta jobs when the truth is that none of that is likely to happen when facing the facts?!
You are obviously very out of touch with the current state of the airline industry. There are about 15 different ways I could prove your so called "facts" wrong. You still haven't addressed the hiring needs of the major carriers.
06-15-2016, 04:24 PM
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My point is new hires need to be realistic. Endeavor is not the fast track to the majors that many on here would like you to believe it is. The "industry leading" pay is a short term bonus to prolong the inevitable. 9E was a sinking ship in 2014 and the retention bonus was introduced quickly to prevent excessive cancellations for delta's summer schedule. It will be just as quickly removed in 2018 (maybe earlier) as Delta takes the regional flying back in-house on the mainline certificate with C Series deliveries in 2017. It is the end of days for the regionals. The only ones who try to tell you things are perfect, and its all too good to be true, are the regional lifers on this forum who are hoping to run out the clock until they can retire in a few years. New hires at endeavor can expect many years as an fo at the bottom of the industry pay scale and a 50-50 shot at making it to delta with the "guaranteed" interview after 2 years as a captain.
06-15-2016, 04:27 PM
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Go ahead, I'm ready. Let here the 15 ways I am wrong. Additionally, I never claimed that my statements are "facts". Just my free opinion, worth as much as it costs. The only "facts" I believe in the airline industry are those planes at the gate under our certificate. Everything else is speculation.
06-15-2016, 04:28 PM
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Go ahead, I'm ready. Let here the 15 ways I am wrong. Additionally, I never claimed that my statements are "facts". Just my free opinion, worth as much as it costs. The only "facts" I believe in the airline industry are those planes at the gate under our certificate. Everything else is speculation.
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