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Old 06-28-2015, 06:46 AM
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And I suspect that with PSAs direct entry captain, there will be not as drastic but a similar exodus.
I would be leary of that.
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Old 06-28-2015, 07:49 AM
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As someone who is thinking of coming to 9E, I was wondering what the commuter policy looks like. Also, it seems like things are getting better from a management perspective, but is this a company worth considering given the opportunities at some other east coast/midwest based regionals?
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Old 06-28-2015, 08:02 AM
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but is this a company worth considering given the opportunities at some other east coast/midwest based regionals?
I think it's better than the other regional's. But take the one with a home base. But if then commute is equal for the option's you're considering then 9E.
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Old 06-28-2015, 10:15 AM
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As someone who is thinking of coming to 9E, I was wondering what the commuter policy looks like. Also, it seems like things are getting better from a management perspective, but is this a company worth considering given the opportunities at some other east coast/midwest based regionals?
Pretty standard commuter clause. List for two flights and if you can't get on call crew scheduling. They'll positive space you if they're desperate but don't count on it. Good news working for 9e is that since we're wholly owned you get priority above all other Delta connection carriers on mainline flights. And of course you get priority of our own metal.
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Old 06-28-2015, 12:54 PM
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I think it's better than the other regional's. But take the one with a home base. But if then commute is equal for the option's you're considering then 9E.
What da heck did he just say? lol
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Old 06-28-2015, 05:26 PM
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Pretty standard commuter clause. List for two flights and if you can't get on call crew scheduling. They'll positive space you if they're desperate but don't count on it. Good news working for 9e is that since we're wholly owned you get priority above all other Delta connection carriers on mainline flights. And of course you get priority of our own metal.
Close, List for the first flight, if you don't get on, call before the second. More than likely in the current staffing environment, you'll get positive spaced on the second flight (if it's Delta of course) You can also commute off line under the commuter policy, but no positive spacing if you do that. If you follow the policy and miss your trip, there is no discipline but you get the pay credit taken away for what you miss. I seem to remember something about being able to use sick time, but that may be for fatigue calls not "call in honest" commuter.
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Old 06-29-2015, 06:06 AM
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How can you say the SSP is a failure? Do you honestly think that even a fraction of the guys hired would have even got off the street interviews this early in DL's hiring wave without it? Agreed that it's not what the mustache sold us, but it's far from a failure.
Flows and SSPs are metering programs for the wholly owned. They are not jobs programs, or gifts. In the past, until Comair screwed it up, wholly owned carriers got seniority numbers.

The point of these programs is to allow the mainline to hire off the street instead of hiring everyone at the WO first. In other words, these programs are designed to keep you here, and maybe get you to mainline someday.
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Old 06-29-2015, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Flows and SSPs are metering programs for the wholly owned. They are not jobs programs, or gifts. In the past, until Comair screwed it up, wholly owned carriers got seniority numbers.

The point of these programs is to allow the mainline to hire off the street instead of hiring everyone at the WO first. In other words, these programs are designed to keep you here, and maybe get you to mainline someday.
I agree with you for the most part except for the maybe getting to mainline someday bit. The hard numbers (144 this year and 180 next year) are set. The unknown mostly lies with those who interview as FO's because captains are still allowed to leap frog. That needs to be fixed to send people to DL according to when they interviewed, period. Id hardly call the SSP a failure for those who wanted to get hired by DL.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Flows and SSPs are metering programs for the wholly owned. They are not jobs programs, or gifts. In the past, until Comair screwed it up, wholly owned carriers got seniority numbers.

The point of these programs is to allow the mainline to hire off the street instead of hiring everyone at the WO first. In other words, these programs are designed to keep you here, and maybe get you to mainline someday.
And this is the failure of ALPA. Why give someone equal status over a job or better jobs at ALPA carriers that has never paid dues compared to those that have? Why not have everyone start at the true bottom?
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And this is the failure of ALPA. Why give someone equal status over a job or better jobs at ALPA carriers that has never paid dues compared to those that have? Why not have everyone start at the true bottom?
Because they don't want to subject their military squad mates to this disgrace of being paid poverty wages as a regional first officer on the way to mainline. (not that mil guys don't pay dues, just a different way, generally with better pay but sometimes more dangerous conditions)
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