Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
03-22-2016, 07:52 PM
#3641
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No need to print it when you can compare it to the release. It's right on the screen and right in your hand already. Why waste the paper
03-22-2016, 08:45 PM
#3642
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03-22-2016, 08:55 PM
#3644
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Ha... you should see the AA way. Every single message prints out. They also have to compare 3 different documents to do their weight and balance.
I prefer our method for PDC verification- on the bus there is a blank place on the console where there is some tape. Everyone without exception sticks it there so it's always there for all to see (it's not only referenced in clearance verification but also in the before takeoff checklist for runway position, departure, first fix).
I prefer our method for PDC verification- on the bus there is a blank place on the console where there is some tape. Everyone without exception sticks it there so it's always there for all to see (it's not only referenced in clearance verification but also in the before takeoff checklist for runway position, departure, first fix).
03-22-2016, 09:41 PM
#3645
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03-23-2016, 04:34 AM
#3646
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Other times the PDC doesn't have the entire route and you have to reference the flt plan for the clearance verification.
03-23-2016, 05:05 AM
#3647
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Only needs to be written down once if good CRM is in use. "Wait, left on B or A". "It's A, second left". "Ahh, that makes sense, that's how everyone else is going, and that's what we were told?" "Yea, here it is, A,D,Z, runway XXR, makes sense". "Alrighty, taxi check".
In the air, I write my own notes when the approach is briefed. Really just any "high points" (low rvr, llws, pertintent notams, etc) and winds. Beyond that, it's known quantities. Only things always in front of my face are FA name(s), flight number, SOB, and bingo fuel. Everything else is on at least 1 told card, already written down. From the left seat if the FO didn't write it down, I will. No discussion necessary. No sense in messing up the other guy as long as it's all covered. FO's play "cameleon" (been there, done that), but the CA is in charge. If the FO doesn't do something you want, you either step up for your level or cause an issue. That being said, some FO's haven't written anything down and purely rely on Acars. That is dealt with in a single SA highlight of "hey, if Acars died right now, where do we stand?" Haven't seen that in a very long time. Even on the -900 with dual FMS and a printer. Important info is written down and readily available. Once again, it depends on the crew. It's not an issue worth diving into.
Regardless of premerger affiliation, it seems there is a simple understanding on where the info will be presented, and in any case it's written at least once for the cockpit use it Acars dies. The "printer or no printer" idea is bogus. There were many times as a -900 FO when I didn't hit "print" a single time. It was on the told card and posted for both to see. Never heard a peep, even with the few known to be "difficult". Just point and stare. "There it is, get your glasses".
In the air, I write my own notes when the approach is briefed. Really just any "high points" (low rvr, llws, pertintent notams, etc) and winds. Beyond that, it's known quantities. Only things always in front of my face are FA name(s), flight number, SOB, and bingo fuel. Everything else is on at least 1 told card, already written down. From the left seat if the FO didn't write it down, I will. No discussion necessary. No sense in messing up the other guy as long as it's all covered. FO's play "cameleon" (been there, done that), but the CA is in charge. If the FO doesn't do something you want, you either step up for your level or cause an issue. That being said, some FO's haven't written anything down and purely rely on Acars. That is dealt with in a single SA highlight of "hey, if Acars died right now, where do we stand?" Haven't seen that in a very long time. Even on the -900 with dual FMS and a printer. Important info is written down and readily available. Once again, it depends on the crew. It's not an issue worth diving into.
Regardless of premerger affiliation, it seems there is a simple understanding on where the info will be presented, and in any case it's written at least once for the cockpit use it Acars dies. The "printer or no printer" idea is bogus. There were many times as a -900 FO when I didn't hit "print" a single time. It was on the told card and posted for both to see. Never heard a peep, even with the few known to be "difficult". Just point and stare. "There it is, get your glasses".
03-23-2016, 10:17 AM
#3648
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I need stronger glasses to be able to see what's written down on the other guys chart holder. All I'm saying is don't expect the other guy to double up. Seems like a breakdown in CRM right off the bat, and poor use of time. There's no reason to hoard everything to yourself. I don't care where it is, just share it and talk about it. Not that hard
03-23-2016, 10:59 AM
#3649
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Never did I say I didn't know how to acquire information, but why do we each need to do the same thing? And why do you support not communicating or sharing flight information with your crew members. Every year we do recurrent CRM. Maybe you should turn in your wings if your not interested in becoming a better professional? I have been in many Jumpseats and can honestly say there's a lot of room for improvement at 9E. I'm happy to see that the new hires have it figured out
03-23-2016, 11:34 AM
#3650
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Never did I say I didn't know how to acquire information, but why do we each need to do the same thing? And why do you support not communicating or sharing flight information with your crew members. Every year we do recurrent CRM. Maybe you should turn in your wings if your not interested in becoming a better professional? I have been in many Jumpseats and can honestly say there's a lot of room for improvement at 9E. I'm happy to see that the new hires have it figured out
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