gojo

Doesn't make any sense to me to have both writing down the same thing and keeping it to themselves.

higney85

Everyone operates differently. Some are good with a single told card, some like one to themselves. Some want it posted in multiple spots with print outs. Joy of being CA, is doing what you want. :-)

Printers are great, but it's almost comical when it's broken for some.

madeinUSA

I write every taxi instruction on the told card and then read back what I wrote to ATC while the Captain taxis. Seems to work fine. I would prefer the Captain not be writing and taxiing at the same time. Especially if we are both heads down writing.... So with that, I would say if you want to each have your own paper, fine, but why not all be in the same page? Aka Told card and Release. I write the Atis too. I've flown with the Captain that prints every Atis update. Every paper jam I have encountered was due to poor crm. This whole topic is the biggest tell on your pre-merger carrier.

gojo

This right there is good CRM. Frustrates me when I have to ask for everything like we're all supposed to do everything for ourselves and not share the information

Farmlover

I don't see a need at all for a printer. I use told card for numbers atis and taxi.

80ktsClamp

Yall don't print out the PDC for route verification?

At brand x, we print out the current atis, PDC, and weight data uplink when it comes in. That's pretty much the bare minimum.

BATOL

I write as little as possible. It's awkward, subject to handwriting misinterpretations, and generally requires two hands and total focus, and still doesn't guarantee lack of error. I print PDC and current ATIS (not EVERY ATIS), read/brief perf info off the FO FMS head and leave it up there for T/O, and put taxi instructions in the FMS scratchpad. Release, PDC, and ATIS live where everybody can see them, and arrival gate gets put on the ED2 after the flight number. Virtually no chance of misinterpreting any of this info as it is all original source. I will never understand the necessity to squirrel away everything on your top secret scratch paper, or your own personal copy of the release 🙄. I know everybody has "styles" but some make more sense and some are just "the way we used to do it".

gojo

Some do, some don't. Here we seem to have some that like to write all that separately and expect the other to do the same. To me it seems pointless to do it twice. Even if it needs to be written just do it once and share it with your coworker. That way you're both seeing the same thing.

TalkTurkey

This is my favorite topic. Justify either writing or paper hanging all you want. The simple truth is, you do it the way you did it when you started working and that's why it's better. As FO, I wrote many things down so I can always have only one place to look for everything I needed. As CA, I let the FO do with paper whatever he wants, otherwise I place all paperwork in the QRH/Emer/nonnormal spot. I like a clean cockpit. But this is a fun topic.

higney85

Only needs to be written down once if good CRM is in use. "Wait, left on B or A". "It's A, second left". "Ahh, that makes sense, that's how everyone else is going, and that's what we were told?" "Yea, here it is, A,D,Z, runway XXR, makes sense". "Alrighty, taxi check".

In the air, I write my own notes when the approach is briefed. Really just any "high points" (low rvr, llws, pertintent notams, etc) and winds. Beyond that, it's known quantities. Only things always in front of my face are FA name(s), flight number, SOB, and bingo fuel. Everything else is on at least 1 told card, already written down. From the left seat if the FO didn't write it down, I will. No discussion necessary. No sense in messing up the other guy as long as it's all covered. FO's play "cameleon" (been there, done that), but the CA is in charge. If the FO doesn't do something you want, you either step up for your level or cause an issue. That being said, some FO's haven't written anything down and purely rely on Acars. That is dealt with in a single SA highlight of "hey, if Acars died right now, where do we stand?" Haven't seen that in a very long time. Even on the -900 with dual FMS and a printer. Important info is written down and readily available. Once again, it depends on the crew. It's not an issue worth diving into.

Regardless of premerger affiliation, it seems there is a simple understanding on where the info will be presented, and in any case it's written at least once for the cockpit use it Acars dies. The "printer or no printer" idea is bogus. There were many times as a -900 FO when I didn't hit "print" a single time. It was on the told card and posted for both to see. Never heard a peep, even with the few known to be "difficult". Just point and stare. "There it is, get your glasses".