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Old 01-25-2016, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbine
Some questions for the Endeavor folks,

What are the likely base assignments for a new hire at Endeavor, and the approximate reserve length?

What did you think of the initial training program?

How do you guys like the health benefits ?

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People are getting all 4 bases out of training, in my class the majority went to DTW on the 200 but got what they wanted on the first vacancy after they we're done with training. The most movement seems to be on the 200 out of DTW.

Reserve on the 200 in DTW is looking like 3 months for me. On the 900 I hear it's about 5 months.

The initial training was good, all the instructors I came across was really helpful. Just have a good attitude, study and you'll be fine. There are some guys from the training center on here so they may be able to help you.

The health benefits are a good deal compared to what I hear about other places.
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by seminolepilot
People are getting all 4 bases out of training, in my class the majority went to DTW on the 200 but got what they wanted on the first vacancy after they we're done with training. The most movement seems to be on the 200 out of DTW.

Reserve on the 200 in DTW is looking like 3 months for me. On the 900 I hear it's about 5 months.

The initial training was good, all the instructors I came across was really helpful. Just have a good attitude, study and you'll be fine. There are some guys from the training center on here so they may be able to help you.

The health benefits are a good deal compared to what I hear about other places.
Ok Great. Thank You

4 bases? JFK, DTW, MSP... what is the fourth?
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbine
Ok Great. Thank You

4 bases? JFK, DTW, MSP... what is the fourth?
LGA..........
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Old 01-26-2016, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by seminolepilot
People are getting all 4 bases out of training, in my class the majority went to DTW on the 200 but got what they wanted on the first vacancy after they we're done with training. The most movement seems to be on the 200 out of DTW.

Reserve on the 200 in DTW is looking like 3 months for me. On the 900 I hear it's about 5 months.

The initial training was good, all the instructors I came across was really helpful. Just have a good attitude, study and you'll be fine. There are some guys from the training center on here so they may be able to help you.

The health benefits are a good deal compared to what I hear about other places.
MSP -200 might be moving a little faster. Most people are getting a line two months out of training. I was the most "senior" person in my -200 class and I was only on reserve for 6 weeks. Either way the -200 is moving much more quickly than the -900.
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Old 01-26-2016, 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by higney85
Well hello there Scotty!

Endeavor interview stats may scare some, but in the end it comes down to performance, reliability, study, and prep. Those who didn't get the job may say different, but one of those metrics will get highlighted as the problem. As with any statistic, there will be outliers of "how did they get the job" and others of "how did they not get the job" but in the end, it's a great interview process and by personal experience very fair and straight forward.
Is the interview pretty hard to pass? Is it on the level of DL, in terms of complexity?

What all does it entail?
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Old 01-26-2016, 04:12 AM
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Is the interview pretty hard to pass? Is it on the level of DL, in terms of complexity?

What all does it entail?
If it hasn't changed since July it's a panel interview with an HR rep, a base chief pilot and a recruiting team pilot. It's a pretty straightforward interview. Typical FAR questions, brief an approach, why did you choose Endeavor?, etc. It's about 45-75 minutes in length. Not hard although a referral of mine didn't make it. Just be yourself and show up prepared and you'll be alright.
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Old 01-26-2016, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 24Whiskey
If it hasn't changed since July it's a panel interview with an HR rep, a base chief pilot and a recruiting team pilot. It's a pretty straightforward interview. Typical FAR questions, brief an approach, why did you choose Endeavor?, etc. It's about 45-75 minutes in length. Not hard although a referral of mine didn't make it. Just be yourself and show up prepared and you'll be alright.
No sim, or technical question test?
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Old 01-26-2016, 04:55 AM
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No. Technical questions during the interview (only two people now, a HR rep and a pilot recruiter) along the line of: What are flaps for? What is holding speed above 10,000? Max airspeed in Class D? Basic stuff any commercial pilot should know.

Unlike CFin's experience, I was told MSP is senior and harder to hold. Currently, they seem to be having a harder time staffing DTW than the other bases.

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No sim, or technical question test?
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Old 01-26-2016, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl;2054837[B
]How is ~300 Endeavor pilots who have already passed the SSP, waiting to go to Delta in 2016-17 any different in terms of status than ~300 Compass pilots who went to Delta in 2014-15?[/B]

I don't see a difference in their status other than some parts of their metering agreement and % of the total pilot group. They both go when their number is called. As for the Compass pilots waiting in the pool, I really don't see them any different than the status of the Compass flows other than they aren't ahead of other new hires. The reason why it doesn't really matter anymore at Compass is that there aren't that many waiting on Delta class dates than there use to be. The reason for Endeavor being a better choice than Compass now is the shear % of the pilot group that already has a spot waiting for them at Delta.

Again, we're arguing semantics here about those who have passed the SSP and if they are really any different in status than the Compass flows were. I am stating that the only thing that matters to new hires is career progression and Endeavor offers a similar one than Compass once did.



The SSP agreement states the Endeavor pilots have to comprise a % of the new hire class. That guarantees them spots. When the Compass flow was in affect, they could see reduced numbers due to it, but now it should increase to ~180 in 2016 and 200+ in 2017. Significant attrition, similar to what Compass was seeing. Compass pilots also didn't have a seniority number at Delta until their class date. They got held back and kept their hire date, but that is the only difference in how the Compass and Endeavor pilots are treated in their respective agreements. The Endeavor pilots have to be released by the end of the year, so they will be gone regardless.


Sure, I was telling new hires to look at Compass over Endeavor in 2013-2014, and now I think Endeavor is the better bet in 2016 onward. I think Envoy is close to being another good bet over Compass now. If Compass or other regionals get a real flow/SSP agreement with mainline partners I will state the pros then. However, as it stands now, Endeavor and Envoy will have the most attrition when compared to he other regionals. Throw PDT in there as well, since I think their flow also allows a good % of the total pilot group to flow to AA as well.
The Compass pilots continually came off the top of the seniority list allowing movement for everyone on the list. The Endeavor SSP are scattered throughout the list (heavily weighted away from the very top) meaning that the movement is much less for someone the more senior they are.
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Old 01-26-2016, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MacrossJet
Is the interview pretty hard to pass? Is it on the level of DL, in terms of complexity?

What all does it entail?
I believe Higney was referring to the Endeavor SSP pilots interviewing at mainline Delta. Those stats are pretty bad.
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