Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
01-07-2022, 06:50 AM
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That was a previously existing LOA that was deemed still active. There’s no LOA providing the ability for 1,000 Delta seniority list pilots to fly at another carrier. Why would Delta want to pay RJ captains Delta rates anyways?
The 220 fleet is set to double still will orders outstanding, and it sounds like more 717s are coming back. The RJ replacement plans are right in front of you.
The 220 fleet is set to double still will orders outstanding, and it sounds like more 717s are coming back. The RJ replacement plans are right in front of you.
Delta is not going watch its subsidiary flounder or fail for lack of Captains. A retention solution will be announced given the attrition. Maybe weeks from now, months at most.
And the 220/717 solution works too. In that case, shut down 9E and let's get ALPA working to see that the pilots move over. The market will happily absorb those chosing a different path.
01-07-2022, 06:58 AM
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There's already a LOA in place, it's called flow back. Very little contractual creativity is required here.
Delta is not going watch its subsidiary flounder or fail for lack of Captains. A retention solution will be announced given the attrition. Maybe weeks from now, months at most.
And the 220/717 solution works too. In that case, shut down 9E and let's get ALPA working to see that the pilots move over. The market will happily absorb those chosing a different path.
Delta is not going watch its subsidiary flounder or fail for lack of Captains. A retention solution will be announced given the attrition. Maybe weeks from now, months at most.
And the 220/717 solution works too. In that case, shut down 9E and let's get ALPA working to see that the pilots move over. The market will happily absorb those chosing a different path.
01-07-2022, 07:12 AM
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There's already a LOA in place, it's called flow back. Very little contractual creativity is required here.
Delta is not going watch its subsidiary flounder or fail for lack of Captains. A retention solution will be announced given the attrition. Maybe weeks from now, months at most.
And the 220/717 solution works too. In that case, shut down 9E and let's get ALPA working to see that the pilots move over. The market will happily absorb those chosing a different path.
Delta is not going watch its subsidiary flounder or fail for lack of Captains. A retention solution will be announced given the attrition. Maybe weeks from now, months at most.
And the 220/717 solution works too. In that case, shut down 9E and let's get ALPA working to see that the pilots move over. The market will happily absorb those chosing a different path.
Pilots are already coming over, 20 a month. You can apply off the street, or wait your turn in the meantime.
01-07-2022, 07:33 AM
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It's only going to get worse. Isn't Dec historically a slow month for attrition? Well we lost the most pilots then to flow and other carriers...including MESA 🤔.
Senority list is shrinking. I know multiple pilots who were within a year of flow said nope and left for AA or UAL. Only reason to stay is because you don't meet hiring mins at other carriers or maybe you just don't want to interview again.
Senority list is shrinking. I know multiple pilots who were within a year of flow said nope and left for AA or UAL. Only reason to stay is because you don't meet hiring mins at other carriers or maybe you just don't want to interview again.
01-07-2022, 08:22 AM
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That’s not a flow back. As far as captains go, they’ll hire street captains and people will bail from the other regionals worse off, saw it years ago with AWAC and XJT. You can believe what you want to believe, but a year ago everybody was convinced a staple was coming over the summer and well...
Pilots are already coming over, 20 a month. You can apply off the street, or wait your turn in the meantime.
Pilots are already coming over, 20 a month. You can apply off the street, or wait your turn in the meantime.
A massive win for Delta, Endeavor and it's pilots. 9E keeps its Captiains, planes flying and ability for FO's to accumulate hours and upgrade. Delta keeps it's regional passenger revenue, mainline feed and NYC slots all while squashing attrition to it's competitors all while metering actual flow to Delta. Pilots get the coveted senority number and little economic incentive to look elsewhere.
01-07-2022, 08:40 AM
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There's no maximum monthly number that Delta can flow. There is a 20/month minimum though, that would continue after all the furloughs are brought "back" on property.
01-07-2022, 08:42 AM
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Worth noting, Delta has grown the seniority list over 500 numbers this autumn. Again, the solution for reduced RJ flying is staring everybody in the face, and it’s been the one thing people have begged for for years. I don’t get it, hasn’t the dream been shrinking RJs and more mainline flying with a flow for years? Now it’s happening, people want bonuses to entice them to stay at a regional.
01-07-2022, 08:44 AM
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They wouldn’t be able to hire any new pilots until all “furloughees” are back. Again, this is fantasy land.
01-07-2022, 08:52 AM
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Many said the flow wasn't available to Endeavor. Delta found a way.
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