Rayjay

I hope not. A flow down would do us no good right now. Even with a flow up. It would wipe out Endeavor.

Mesabah

I already talked about it in a previous post, it would be in our best interest to make sure those furloughed Delta pilots end up here.

Rayjay

And why's that? I'd rather up in with a massive concession.

DeltaCorrectons

[QUOTE=Mesabah;3026451]I already talked about it in a previous post, it would be in our best interest to make sure those furloughed Delta pilots end up here.[/QUOTE

Easy for you to say looking at it from where your sitting on the seniority list. I’m 40% and I’d rather see the the MEC tell them to pound sand rather then take up a flow back. Unless it meant zero furloughs at 9E and bringing more airframes to 9E to ensure that doesn’t happen.

Rayjay

[QUOTE=DeltaCorrectons;3026460]I'm in the top 20% and would rather tell Delta to pound sand, then to allow them to flow down here. Terrible idea.

CabbiInbound

I’m going to guess the bottom 1500 guys on our list who would end up on the street would disagree with you...

Ziggy

I guess you need to ask yourself, are you a glass half full or glass half empty type person. If your optimistic, then the economy and airline business will bounce right back. If not, your going to be furloughed anyway. So why not have something in hand whichever way this plays out.

I’m in the bottom 6% and would be willing to give up my seat if it meant a DL seniority number that matches my DOH at EDV. I also recognize that the 5-20yr veteran would not want to be displaced or bumped down by any DL flowback.

I really wasn’t a “hard chargin” Progression for all type, but if there was ever a time, this is it.

Also remember in business negotiations it’s always about leverage. It’s not personal, it’s business. So if you feel the time is inappropriate, it’s really not. Because the other side of the table will always use their tools to the fullest extent possible.

Mesabah

They are taking the planes anyway, the choices are those pilots come here, or Delta starts up a new wholly owned regional. If our silly pilots at Mesaba had agreed to a proper flow down, we would all be Delta captains right now. Instead NWA started Compass, and look how that went horribly wrong.

Rayjay

Do any of the AA wholly owns have flow back? Compass and their flow/flow back made sense. Their pilots had the ability to go to NW. We do not DL pilots anything, since we never had a flow up. And putting 90% of our pilots on the street for a flow up in 2-3 years (which they could probably eliminate in CH11) makes zero sense. We do not owe DL anything, and need to look after our own first.

Mesabah

It’s not 90%, it’s 350 pilots for 35 aircraft that we can’t operate anyway.