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Paid2fly 07-17-2018 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 2636762)
You’re right.

Overzealous wording on my part.

How about career progression circumvention.







You had it right the first time...

Bartok 07-17-2018 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 2636767)
You had it right the first time...

Lol........

TalkTurkey 07-17-2018 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 2636762)
You’re right.

Overzealous wording on my part.

How about career progression circumvention.

Well, technically you're correct if the programs goes as we read it will. But what it doesn't express is what of current employees. I wouldn't automatically deduce that we are all technically stuck here. It would cost more to keep the elders here and let the newbs move on. So, I draw no conclusion from this Delta Propel Pilot Career Path Program. Gosh what a monumentally stoooopid name by the way.

VoiceOfReason 07-17-2018 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 2636759)
I don’t think our union can do anything either unfortunately.

And as much as this ****es me off that Delta does sh!t like this I’m happy to stay right here for the rest of my career.

It’s the young guys that should be ****ed that they’ve announced a career progression outside of Endeavor that’s better than what they have, even though we’ve been told that wouldn’t happen.

I doubt anyone 30 or younger will be too terribly disappointed with their career progression opportunities. Pending another lost decade like many of us experienced, they won't have to bare the same cross guys like you had to carry. I see this as a modest win for the industry, as well as a positive for the guys coming up and on property. It's not better, it's just a more defined millennial-approach - mentorship, handholding, helicopter parenting. Instant gratification. A different cloth by which pilots are cut. Everything I'm trying NOT to do for my kids, but at the same time, reluctantly, glad to have available.

Flogger 07-17-2018 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason (Post 2636750)
Not sure our union has any say in the matter, honestly. Maybe there are some backdoor conversations happening. Or, better yet, let's just see how this pans out. BL has talked about DC consolidation and 9E growing to 40+% of total flying...I'm willing to wait this out to see what happens. In the meantime, be a professional. Let things outside of your control go. It's not worth it.

Stop it Tom!!!:)

TalkTurkey 07-17-2018 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2636741)
Screw this. I'm just gonna go here:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...cid=spartanntp

Yes I'm quoting my own comment. How many pilots does it take to staff 60 A220's? When/If this thing goes live, it will suck up crews from regionals, no doubt. Maybe we ought to work out a flow to this startup.

Bartok 07-17-2018 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason (Post 2636772)
I doubt anyone 30 or younger will be too terribly disappointed with their career progression opportunities. Pending another lost decade like many of us experienced, they won't have to bare the same cross guys like you had to carry. I see this as a modest win for the industry, as well as a positive for the guys coming up and on property. It's not better, it's just a more defined millennial-approach - mentorship, handholding, helicopter parenting. Instant gratification. A different cloth by which pilots are cut. Everything I'm trying NOT to do for my kids, but at the same time, reluctantly, glad to have available.

I could stomach it if Endeavor seniority list pilots had a clearer path to Delta, something much better than what has been bandied around lately.

VoiceOfReason 07-17-2018 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 2636776)
Stop it Tom!!!:)

Okay. I'm out. Stay classy, 9E #MEGA

TalkTurkey 07-17-2018 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 2636782)
I could stomach it if Endeavor seniority list pilots had a clearer path to Delta, something much better than what has been bandied around lately.

Well, according to the latest MEC email from today, your MEC has now openly stated that they are in talks about career progression with delta and Endeavor. See, I told us it wasn't all doom for current seniority peeps.

Bartok 07-17-2018 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2636801)
Well, according to the latest MEC email from today, your MEC has now openly stated that they are in talks about career progression with delta and Endeavor. See, I told us it wasn't all doom for current seniority peeps.

Wonder how long the union has known about this.


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