phil46

thanks. exactly what i needed to know.

AlphaFox

Keep in mind not all 9E 900s have FA jumpseats...

Taylor814ce

How often are classes held?
Do they have even number of 200 and 900 classes going or only 200 right now?
How big are the classes?
Does Endeavor require training contract?

Thanks!

AlphaFox

Some like to say this "there's only a 50% chance"... likening the process to a coin toss or something... and those selected are chosen entirely arbitrarily. This is not true and is a line rooted in bitterness that generally comes from those who left Endeavor before being afforded the opportunity to interview, or from those who interviewed and were turned down.

With several notable exceptions, spend four days shoulder-to-shoulder with *most* "come back in 6 months" and esepcially "double No" guys and you will usually see a reason pop out at you. Whether it is lack of solid preparation, lack of motivation to fly for Delta, an internal hatred and bitterness for Delta because of our past, that they didn't care to try to leave in the past two decades up until now, or there are skeletons in the closet... there is usually something that pops out and tells you "hmmm, ok that kinda makes sense". I will say, however, that the notable exceptions seem to be genuine victims to the process. They are wholly dedicated, respected employees with stellar records who spent a tremendous amount of time preparing, and something unfortunately went wrong. However, these are far and few between, and those falling in this category that got a Double No are more rare. It is very unfortunate though. Let's keep in mind though that nobody knows what happened in that room or what was indicated on that application besides the individuals that were there.

Those on the outside may be shocked and rightly peeved to hear that some (actually an alarming number) of individuals say things to the effect of "yeah I'll see, I might throw my name in the hat" or "I just can't find them motivation to do all that studying" or "I'll start studying when I get my interview date". Again, these are common lines from the less fortunate 50% (actually about 40% overall).

Many will tell you the hardest part about getting a job at Delta is getting the interview itself. Thousands of extremely well qualified applicants at other regionals, national carriers, and foreign carriers refresh their applications daily and pound their heads against the wall wondering what it is stopping them from getting called for an interview. Endeavor Pilots have a great privilege of having a guaranteed interview. But because it is a handout, some take it for granted. Most who take it for granted would have never been called for an off the street interview at this point in the game based on their applications. But because the interview itself is a handout, these individuals do not place the same value on actually getting the interview as they would place on it if they had been one of very few at their airline to secure an off the street interview. We at Endeavor have an added benefit of being able to prepare for months (now a couple years) before going in. The company and the union host paid preps. The constant chatter of the cockpit and crew room is the interview and the process. There really is no excuse to be unprepared on the big day. Off the street candidates have only a few weeks to prepare and aren't immersed among colleagues who are all preparing or who have gone through the same process. This was actually the subject of a recent memo from the company telling those pilots who want to just "throw their name in the hat" and show up just to go through the motions to just stay home. Couldn't agree more with that. These are all important things to consider when looking at numbers.

It has just been said now by one too many jaded folks who like to downplay the program and its value that "you only have a --% chance of actually going to Delta". It is just untrue, and is disrespectful to those who worked their butts off to maintain good records, prepare with dilligence, and show up with the proper motivation.

For someone new to the industry focusing on ending their career with Delta, the prospect of coming in, upgrading in a very realistic 2 - 2.5 years, then being at Delta in less than 5 years is a great option. But it it won't be job at a top legacy via flow from a regional who does 5-minute phone interviews, it won't be a "handshake", and it won't be a handout. So if that is where your expectations bar is, forget it. It'll require work, but it is yours to have if you're willing to do what it takes and would pass the interview just like every other pilot that started at Delta (except for former flow pilots).

Five93H

1) They have been twice a month recently (since the summer)
2) Usually there is one split 200/900 class, and then a 900-only class
3) The split classes have been around 20 people, the 900-only around a dozen or so.
(This was for 2015, with the new hiring plan it will probably be larger)
4) No training contract

Now this could

gojo

Then why the H$ll did Delta award them 900's this year?

Taylor814ce

Can you explain split 200/900 class? Are the people in this class typed in both 200 and 900 or do they split up towards the latter part of class?

Thanks again!

Avroman

GoJet and ExpressJet have been about as reliable as Jimmy Howard in goal for the Red Wings lately.

Avroman

Just be aware 5 of our 900's don't have the FA jumpseat.. the "Freedom 5" that have registration tail numbers ending in "LR" don't have the spare seat.

gojo

Ha ha, great analogy