Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
04-18-2018, 05:24 PM
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ANYWAY...TSA now has a flow with Frontier, an airline they have absolutely no affiliation with. Yes Frontier is a joke, but still... I'm sure there are some among us that would love to take a 50% pay cut for the opportunity to fly an Airbus! 
04-18-2018, 06:11 PM
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Wow. I take a couple of days off, and the douche nozzles go crazy!
Flight time has begun with movement under own power for many, many years now. Anyone who was logging otherwise was cheating. You should turn your logbooks into the FAA for review and self-suspend your flying.
Flight time has begun with movement under own power for many, many years now. Anyone who was logging otherwise was cheating. You should turn your logbooks into the FAA for review and self-suspend your flying.
04-18-2018, 07:26 PM
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Those of us that understand the question won't have a problem.
It's those guys who just blindly accept the "continue to log block time" mantra that could find themselves crosswise.
Let's say this whole 5th OOOI time works EXACTLY as well as the Company thinks it will, and therefore you have days where you're blocking 10 or 11 hrs a day. Are you going to put 10 or 11 hours of FLIGHT TIME in your logbook? (Which would show you violating an FAR?) Let's say you do, and you find yourself at a major airline interview, or across from an FAA inspector for a check ride and they ask you... "How could you have logged 11 hrs of 121 flight time in a day?" Now you're in an awkward position where you have to say "well that's block time not flight time..." but the column is labeled flight time... and the interview or the check ride is over at that point....
If you know you've made the choice to log block not flight time, then if someone notices and complains, you will have brought that upon yourself. If a guy has no idea it's even a question and blindly accepts the continue how you have been then that sucks for him and it'd have been nice to warn him about the choice he's making.
All that said.... HighFlight- you've been logging flight time all along?? How did you track pushback to forward motion before yesterday??
04-18-2018, 07:29 PM
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I guess we all got the ALPA email today saying don't go to work at Frontier?? Was the TSA thing what that was about? Isn't Frontier ALPA too?
04-19-2018, 01:56 AM
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It's fine.
Those of us that understand the question won't have a problem.
It's those guys who just blindly accept the "continue to log block time" mantra that could find themselves crosswise.
Let's say this whole 5th OOOI time works EXACTLY as well as the Company thinks it will, and therefore you have days where you're blocking 10 or 11 hrs a day. Are you going to put 10 or 11 hours of FLIGHT TIME in your logbook? (Which would show you violating an FAR?) Let's say you do, and you find yourself at a major airline interview, or across from an FAA inspector for a check ride and they ask you... "How could you have logged 11 hrs of 121 flight time in a day?" Now you're in an awkward position where you have to say "well that's block time not flight time..." but the column is labeled flight time... and the interview or the check ride is over at that point....
If you know you've made the choice to log block not flight time, then if someone notices and complains, you will have brought that upon yourself. If a guy has no idea it's even a question and blindly accepts the continue how you have been then that sucks for him and it'd have been nice to warn him about the choice he's making.
All that said.... HighFlight- you've been logging flight time all along?? How did you track pushback to forward motion before yesterday??
Those of us that understand the question won't have a problem.
It's those guys who just blindly accept the "continue to log block time" mantra that could find themselves crosswise.
Let's say this whole 5th OOOI time works EXACTLY as well as the Company thinks it will, and therefore you have days where you're blocking 10 or 11 hrs a day. Are you going to put 10 or 11 hours of FLIGHT TIME in your logbook? (Which would show you violating an FAR?) Let's say you do, and you find yourself at a major airline interview, or across from an FAA inspector for a check ride and they ask you... "How could you have logged 11 hrs of 121 flight time in a day?" Now you're in an awkward position where you have to say "well that's block time not flight time..." but the column is labeled flight time... and the interview or the check ride is over at that point....
If you know you've made the choice to log block not flight time, then if someone notices and complains, you will have brought that upon yourself. If a guy has no idea it's even a question and blindly accepts the continue how you have been then that sucks for him and it'd have been nice to warn him about the choice he's making.
All that said.... HighFlight- you've been logging flight time all along?? How did you track pushback to forward motion before yesterday??
04-19-2018, 11:36 AM
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Curious
Why has it taken the company so long to come up with this new OOOI memo about what flight time really means? That definition has been in the FARs for a long time.
All these new memos and ways of doing things has me suspect. Not long after the contract was signed, all this creativeness came forward, scheduling especially. An example is Reserve never being "green". We have FLICA but it's a difficult system to use when it's hard to drop and trade Reserve. I do not think that was the intent of the agreement and FLICA.
The flight time things is just that, trying to squeeze more out of us for the deal they got in back in December.
All these new memos and ways of doing things has me suspect. Not long after the contract was signed, all this creativeness came forward, scheduling especially. An example is Reserve never being "green". We have FLICA but it's a difficult system to use when it's hard to drop and trade Reserve. I do not think that was the intent of the agreement and FLICA.
The flight time things is just that, trying to squeeze more out of us for the deal they got in back in December.
04-19-2018, 12:25 PM
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Why has it taken the company so long to come up with this new OOOI memo about what flight time really means? That definition has been in the FARs for a long time.
All these new memos and ways of doing things has me suspect. Not long after the contract was signed, all this creativeness came forward, scheduling especially. An example is Reserve never being "green". We have FLICA but it's a difficult system to use when it's hard to drop and trade Reserve. I do not think that was the intent of the agreement and FLICA.
The flight time things is just that, trying to squeeze more out of us for the deal they got in back in December.
All these new memos and ways of doing things has me suspect. Not long after the contract was signed, all this creativeness came forward, scheduling especially. An example is Reserve never being "green". We have FLICA but it's a difficult system to use when it's hard to drop and trade Reserve. I do not think that was the intent of the agreement and FLICA.
The flight time things is just that, trying to squeeze more out of us for the deal they got in back in December.
04-19-2018, 02:34 PM
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While it is coincidental to the TA coming in I think these issues we’ve been seeing (firebreaks, fifth OOOI etc.) have little to do with the TA. In other words I think we would’ve seen these things anyway had the TA been voted down. The factors that these operational changes are trying to fix have existed long before the TA signing and I don’t recall there being contract language pre-TA that restricted the company from firebreaks and fifth OOOI. Correct me if I’m wrong.
And for the record I’m not saying this as a company parrot/kool-aid drinker.
And for the record I’m not saying this as a company parrot/kool-aid drinker.
04-19-2018, 03:20 PM
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It's fine.
Those of us that understand the question won't have a problem.
It's those guys who just blindly accept the "continue to log block time" mantra that could find themselves crosswise.
Let's say this whole 5th OOOI time works EXACTLY as well as the Company thinks it will, and therefore you have days where you're blocking 10 or 11 hrs a day. Are you going to put 10 or 11 hours of FLIGHT TIME in your logbook? (Which would show you violating an FAR?) Let's say you do, and you find yourself at a major airline interview, or across from an FAA inspector for a check ride and they ask you... "How could you have logged 11 hrs of 121 flight time in a day?" Now you're in an awkward position where you have to say "well that's block time not flight time..." but the column is labeled flight time... and the interview or the check ride is over at that point....
If you know you've made the choice to log block not flight time, then if someone notices and complains, you will have brought that upon yourself. If a guy has no idea it's even a question and blindly accepts the continue how you have been then that sucks for him and it'd have been nice to warn him about the choice he's making.
All that said.... HighFlight- you've been logging flight time all along?? How did you track pushback to forward motion before yesterday??
Those of us that understand the question won't have a problem.
It's those guys who just blindly accept the "continue to log block time" mantra that could find themselves crosswise.
Let's say this whole 5th OOOI time works EXACTLY as well as the Company thinks it will, and therefore you have days where you're blocking 10 or 11 hrs a day. Are you going to put 10 or 11 hours of FLIGHT TIME in your logbook? (Which would show you violating an FAR?) Let's say you do, and you find yourself at a major airline interview, or across from an FAA inspector for a check ride and they ask you... "How could you have logged 11 hrs of 121 flight time in a day?" Now you're in an awkward position where you have to say "well that's block time not flight time..." but the column is labeled flight time... and the interview or the check ride is over at that point....
If you know you've made the choice to log block not flight time, then if someone notices and complains, you will have brought that upon yourself. If a guy has no idea it's even a question and blindly accepts the continue how you have been then that sucks for him and it'd have been nice to warn him about the choice he's making.
All that said.... HighFlight- you've been logging flight time all along?? How did you track pushback to forward motion before yesterday??
You'd better get over to Delta quick and help us reinvent 121.
Do you actually work for any airline? Endeavor or otherwise?
You thought of applying to tech pubs? I dont come in here much anymore but i should come in for laughs more often.
04-19-2018, 03:37 PM
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Concerned about following the rules and not logging more flight time than allowed by the regs.
Completely ridiculous.
My bad.
Move along.
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