Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
but glad you are moving onto greener pastures.
12-25-2015, 09:56 PM
#1932
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I'll second this. I recently left 9E after 10.5 years. I was rejected by DL despite an unblemished hr and training record. The thing that got me was the insistence afterwards to project myself as Delta. Beforehand I would go above and beyond, afterwards I worked just hard enough not to get fired.
12-25-2015, 10:24 PM
#1933
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Believe me when I say that I understand the sentiment. It's borderline pompous and absolutely an insult. I have my interview coming up and I seriously am thinking about no-showing and just seeking employment elsewhere. After all, aren't retirements and the likes supposed to tilt the feed to our favor?
definitely don't do this. All you would be achieving is potentially making another pilot from this group either have a harder shot, or a longer wait. I only say this because it would push somebody else's interview back a month and would also justify some of the Delta hirings attitudes towards our group.
Meanwhile you're not sticking it to anyone, yet you are burning a bridge. It may feel good to you no-show the interview, and I understand and sympathize with that, but really it would be nothing but a selfish act that hurts the wrong people.
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12-26-2015, 05:38 AM
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definitely don't do this. All you would be achieving is potentially making another pilot from this group either have a harder shot, or a longer wait. I only say this because it would push somebody else's interview back a month and would also justify some of the Delta hirings attitudes towards our group.
Meanwhile you're not sticking it to anyone, yet you are burning a bridge. It may feel good to you no-show the interview, and I understand and sympathize with that, but really it would be nothing but a selfish act that hurts the wrong people.
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Meanwhile you're not sticking it to anyone, yet you are burning a bridge. It may feel good to you no-show the interview, and I understand and sympathize with that, but really it would be nothing but a selfish act that hurts the wrong people.
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12-26-2015, 02:32 PM
#1936
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Delta pathway
Quote:
Originally Posted by higney85
I'll just put a blunt statement out there.
I have seen current day "endeavor" over the last decade. Through mergers, leading contract, bankruptcy, bad contract, chopping block, street captains, decade upgrades. Right now, things are good and designed to be even better. In taking a "birds eye" view, if I was wanting to get into the 121 business for a career in the airlines, it would be an easy decision for endeavor. My ticket out is punched and working with new hires in the sims, but when I hear the logic of the new hires, I can't help but agree with them.
The airline business is only consistent in 1 metric, things work up, then fall apart, just to be rebuilt. Based on who owns us, what is here, what is available, and a long term viewpoint, endeavor wins. Plus, they pay the most.
Call it opinion, but run the numbers. Upgrades are happening quickly, more planes arriving, folks are leaving to DL, and new hires are given a path to DL. That's where the industry is going, although some are slow on the uptake. Others understand it, but are in contracts that are cost prohibitive to attract talent. DL owns endeavor and is paying to play for seamless operation from a regional to DL mainline.
DL wants us to hire 60/mo, and are paying so, with movement as the new bonus. Upgrade will be under 3 years, 2ish years if you are willing to go anywhere for upgrade. 6 months ago, I was a downgraded 900 FO by seniority. Now I'd be a 900 line holder of I was bidding. Working in training is a different, yet a fun and challenging, animal.
It should be a simple decision, yet folks want to use the idea of "what if" instead of "this is happening". Take what is going on at face value, look at where you want to go, and look at what is available. It's not a sales pitch, just run the Numbers.
I couldn't agree more Avroman. I agree with Higney EXCEPT for the path to Delta. Denying nearly half of our applicants on the delta guaranteed interview, or SSP (Same thing but different tags) is a major discouragement and a slap in the face to our employees here at Endeavor. Maybe I'm a little bias since they told me "no" at my guaranteed interview, but I'd figure after 6 month of preparing for the interview (including 2 interview prep seminars), a spotless record including no training or Check ride failures EVER, training department and safety department experience, an excellent attendance records, and a positive attitude, etc. I was very disheartened and surprised. Now they say I need represent Delta at its finest, right after they denied me a job as a Delta pilot. Well, I'll do my best just because I'm not the kind of guy to do a **** poor job because I'm upset, But I do feel as though I've been slapped in the face and rejected from the company I've worked so hard for over 8 years now. Sometimes I just want to more on to another company. It's horrible being totally rejected by the company you work for and been loyal to even in the hardest of times.
Originally Posted by higney85
I'll just put a blunt statement out there.
I have seen current day "endeavor" over the last decade. Through mergers, leading contract, bankruptcy, bad contract, chopping block, street captains, decade upgrades. Right now, things are good and designed to be even better. In taking a "birds eye" view, if I was wanting to get into the 121 business for a career in the airlines, it would be an easy decision for endeavor. My ticket out is punched and working with new hires in the sims, but when I hear the logic of the new hires, I can't help but agree with them.
The airline business is only consistent in 1 metric, things work up, then fall apart, just to be rebuilt. Based on who owns us, what is here, what is available, and a long term viewpoint, endeavor wins. Plus, they pay the most.
Call it opinion, but run the numbers. Upgrades are happening quickly, more planes arriving, folks are leaving to DL, and new hires are given a path to DL. That's where the industry is going, although some are slow on the uptake. Others understand it, but are in contracts that are cost prohibitive to attract talent. DL owns endeavor and is paying to play for seamless operation from a regional to DL mainline.
DL wants us to hire 60/mo, and are paying so, with movement as the new bonus. Upgrade will be under 3 years, 2ish years if you are willing to go anywhere for upgrade. 6 months ago, I was a downgraded 900 FO by seniority. Now I'd be a 900 line holder of I was bidding. Working in training is a different, yet a fun and challenging, animal.
It should be a simple decision, yet folks want to use the idea of "what if" instead of "this is happening". Take what is going on at face value, look at where you want to go, and look at what is available. It's not a sales pitch, just run the Numbers.
I couldn't agree more Avroman. I agree with Higney EXCEPT for the path to Delta. Denying nearly half of our applicants on the delta guaranteed interview, or SSP (Same thing but different tags) is a major discouragement and a slap in the face to our employees here at Endeavor. Maybe I'm a little bias since they told me "no" at my guaranteed interview, but I'd figure after 6 month of preparing for the interview (including 2 interview prep seminars), a spotless record including no training or Check ride failures EVER, training department and safety department experience, an excellent attendance records, and a positive attitude, etc. I was very disheartened and surprised. Now they say I need represent Delta at its finest, right after they denied me a job as a Delta pilot. Well, I'll do my best just because I'm not the kind of guy to do a **** poor job because I'm upset, But I do feel as though I've been slapped in the face and rejected from the company I've worked so hard for over 8 years now. Sometimes I just want to more on to another company. It's horrible being totally rejected by the company you work for and been loyal to even in the hardest of times.
12-26-2015, 02:48 PM
#1937
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Quote:
Originally Posted by higney85
I'll just put a blunt statement out there.
I have seen current day "endeavor" over the last decade. Through mergers, leading contract, bankruptcy, bad contract, chopping block, street captains, decade upgrades. Right now, things are good and designed to be even better. In taking a "birds eye" view, if I was wanting to get into the 121 business for a career in the airlines, it would be an easy decision for endeavor. My ticket out is punched and working with new hires in the sims, but when I hear the logic of the new hires, I can't help but agree with them.
The airline business is only consistent in 1 metric, things work up, then fall apart, just to be rebuilt. Based on who owns us, what is here, what is available, and a long term viewpoint, endeavor wins. Plus, they pay the most.
Call it opinion, but run the numbers. Upgrades are happening quickly, more planes arriving, folks are leaving to DL, and new hires are given a path to DL. That's where the industry is going, although some are slow on the uptake. Others understand it, but are in contracts that are cost prohibitive to attract talent. DL owns endeavor and is paying to play for seamless operation from a regional to DL mainline.
DL wants us to hire 60/mo, and are paying so, with movement as the new bonus. Upgrade will be under 3 years, 2ish years if you are willing to go anywhere for upgrade. 6 months ago, I was a downgraded 900 FO by seniority. Now I'd be a 900 line holder of I was bidding. Working in training is a different, yet a fun and challenging, animal.
It should be a simple decision, yet folks want to use the idea of "what if" instead of "this is happening". Take what is going on at face value, look at where you want to go, and look at what is available. It's not a sales pitch, just run the Numbers.
I couldn't agree more Avroman. I agree with Higney EXCEPT for the path to Delta. Denying nearly half of our applicants on the delta guaranteed interview, or SSP (Same thing but different tags) is a major discouragement and a slap in the face to our employees here at Endeavor. Maybe I'm a little bias since they told me "no" at my guaranteed interview, but I'd figure after 6 month of preparing for the interview (including 2 interview prep seminars), a spotless record including no training or Check ride failures EVER, training department and safety department experience, an excellent attendance records, and a positive attitude, etc. I was very disheartened and surprised. Now they say I need represent Delta at its finest, right after they denied me a job as a Delta pilot. Well, I'll do my best just because I'm not the kind of guy to do a **** poor job because I'm upset, But I do feel as though I've been slapped in the face and rejected from the company I've worked so hard for over 8 years now. Sometimes I just want to more on to another company. It's horrible being totally rejected by the company you work for and been loyal to even in the hardest of times.
Originally Posted by higney85
I'll just put a blunt statement out there.
I have seen current day "endeavor" over the last decade. Through mergers, leading contract, bankruptcy, bad contract, chopping block, street captains, decade upgrades. Right now, things are good and designed to be even better. In taking a "birds eye" view, if I was wanting to get into the 121 business for a career in the airlines, it would be an easy decision for endeavor. My ticket out is punched and working with new hires in the sims, but when I hear the logic of the new hires, I can't help but agree with them.
The airline business is only consistent in 1 metric, things work up, then fall apart, just to be rebuilt. Based on who owns us, what is here, what is available, and a long term viewpoint, endeavor wins. Plus, they pay the most.
Call it opinion, but run the numbers. Upgrades are happening quickly, more planes arriving, folks are leaving to DL, and new hires are given a path to DL. That's where the industry is going, although some are slow on the uptake. Others understand it, but are in contracts that are cost prohibitive to attract talent. DL owns endeavor and is paying to play for seamless operation from a regional to DL mainline.
DL wants us to hire 60/mo, and are paying so, with movement as the new bonus. Upgrade will be under 3 years, 2ish years if you are willing to go anywhere for upgrade. 6 months ago, I was a downgraded 900 FO by seniority. Now I'd be a 900 line holder of I was bidding. Working in training is a different, yet a fun and challenging, animal.
It should be a simple decision, yet folks want to use the idea of "what if" instead of "this is happening". Take what is going on at face value, look at where you want to go, and look at what is available. It's not a sales pitch, just run the Numbers.
I couldn't agree more Avroman. I agree with Higney EXCEPT for the path to Delta. Denying nearly half of our applicants on the delta guaranteed interview, or SSP (Same thing but different tags) is a major discouragement and a slap in the face to our employees here at Endeavor. Maybe I'm a little bias since they told me "no" at my guaranteed interview, but I'd figure after 6 month of preparing for the interview (including 2 interview prep seminars), a spotless record including no training or Check ride failures EVER, training department and safety department experience, an excellent attendance records, and a positive attitude, etc. I was very disheartened and surprised. Now they say I need represent Delta at its finest, right after they denied me a job as a Delta pilot. Well, I'll do my best just because I'm not the kind of guy to do a **** poor job because I'm upset, But I do feel as though I've been slapped in the face and rejected from the company I've worked so hard for over 8 years now. Sometimes I just want to more on to another company. It's horrible being totally rejected by the company you work for and been loyal to even in the hardest of times.
12-26-2015, 05:08 PM
#1938
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Basically, everyone knows that you can have a bad day. The idea is that you get 2 tries with DL if you are having a bad day, but a solid work history (attendance, training record, etc).
The ssp has been a 60ish% pass rate for endeavor folks. Some didn't show up prepared, some bombed the HR, some had training/attendance issues, others leave the rest of the group (knowing them) perplexed as to why they were turned down as they had clean records, good folks, and many were highly qualified as APD's, sim check airman, line check airman, or solid line pilots, or reserve pilots dealing with the fact of being junior.
From what I am hearing the new program is designed to only weed out those who are the "problem children" with attendance, discipline, and/or training issues.
Basically, serve some time gaining experience and move on. As you have heard in this thread, some don't want DL but interviewed for experience (personal preference), some tried and were turned down for no logical reason, some made it through to the shock of others, some didn't even apply, some where turned down and the reasons in the record were clear. NOT pointing fingers, but it's a message board. Each pilot has their own circumstances.
The overall goal at this point, from both endeavor mgmt and DL management, is a program to hire talent at the endeavor level and those who keep a clean record and are determined will move to DL.
Sorry for any hard feelings that causes to those who have been at "endeavor" for many years, and prior to any of the hardships that plagued the creation of endeavor. General statements.
12-27-2015, 02:45 PM
#1939
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Believe me when I say that I understand the sentiment. It's borderline pompous and absolutely an insult. I have my interview coming up and I seriously am thinking about no-showing and just seeking employment elsewhere. After all, aren't retirements and the likes supposed to tilt the feed to our favor?
But if you really feel this way you should respectfully decline the interview and let one of the other 12K applicants have a chance. If the hiring panel senses your anger towards Delta, you're toast. And if you try to hide it, you'll be so distracted that you'll fail the cog test. Either way, you won't get hired and you'll be even more angry at Delta.
With all the hiring at the regional you can have your pick of lateral moves. Maybe you'd be happier at Envoy with a quick upgrade, a guaranteed flow to AA and then you'd never have to worry about pompous announcements or flying Delta passengers ever again.
I think that you, 9E, and Delta would be better off.
Respctfully, CG
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