Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
03-27-2018, 05:04 PM
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When the gate agent scanned me down to the plane it was mine. Was I thinking I might get it taken back? Yes. But the agent did right by ME that time by not letting the DL CA take it from me. I’m not bragging about anything, just telling how it happened. The deck isn’t always stacked against us little people.
Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule at Delta to tell us how to act. Hopefully you are doing us all a solid over there by talking us up, and helping folks realize just how good EDV is.
Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule at Delta to tell us how to act. Hopefully you are doing us all a solid over there by talking us up, and helping folks realize just how good EDV is.
I do actually talk up 9E people and how great of a group it is to ML pilots but stuff like this can leave a lasting negative impression. Even if it's only one person doing it, this type of thing will take off and make the rounds a lot faster than me saying that there are a thousand plus Endeavor pilots who we should get to mainline before they get snagged by someone else.
And I wouldn't care who you worked for, I'd tell you the same thing. Jumpseat etiquette is very important in this field and I consider it a mark of actually being a professional. If you want to be treated like one, start acting like it.
As an aside, nice job trying to turn it into an "us vs them" thing. Am I supposed to be ashamed that I was fortunate enough to get on with mainline? I know that I thought it in poor taste to see people who got on to a major suddenly seem too good to care about regional pilots, but you seem to take issue with anyone having an interest in what goes on at the regionals if they get on with a major. Of course, this specific discussion is about jumpseat etiquette anyway, so I'm not even sure why that matters to you on this one.
03-27-2018, 05:11 PM
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Please re-read my post. I was referrring to two different incidents. The one I was talking about was after the 15 minute cutoff.
But yes, I have been let down prior to 15 minutes a time or two. I have also been assigned seats when non-revving when there are empty seats and boarding hasn’t even started (mostly in ATL and DTW). Sometimes, fate shines on us. At my home airport, I NEVER get a seat until every other passenger has boarded, even if the plane is half empty.
Nowhere did I say you should be ashamed, not sure why you are taking it that way. You have arrived where so many of us hope to someday be, and that’s awesome for you! I am glad there are EDV people there talking good things about the company, because far too many ML pilots seem not to know we even exist. I have actually applauded some of your posts in the past, if you recall (I think it was over the new non rev priority thing, but not sure). My thanks was sincere, but it seems as if you thought otherwise.
But yes, I have been let down prior to 15 minutes a time or two. I have also been assigned seats when non-revving when there are empty seats and boarding hasn’t even started (mostly in ATL and DTW). Sometimes, fate shines on us. At my home airport, I NEVER get a seat until every other passenger has boarded, even if the plane is half empty.
Nowhere did I say you should be ashamed, not sure why you are taking it that way. You have arrived where so many of us hope to someday be, and that’s awesome for you! I am glad there are EDV people there talking good things about the company, because far too many ML pilots seem not to know we even exist. I have actually applauded some of your posts in the past, if you recall (I think it was over the new non rev priority thing, but not sure). My thanks was sincere, but it seems as if you thought otherwise.
No, it wasn't "yours," the agent was supposed to pull you right back off the airplane. 15 minutes is the cutoff whether you're boarded or not. I spent 10 years at 9E dealing with it, and I have volunteered to a gate agent that I was the one who wasn't supposed to get on as well as had an agent come down a jet bridge to pull me out of the jumpseat when boarding was finished.
I do actually talk up 9E people and how great of a group it is to ML pilots but stuff like this can leave a lasting negative impression. Even if it's only one person doing it, this type of thing will take off and make the rounds a lot faster than me saying that there are a thousand plus Endeavor pilots who we should get to mainline before they get snagged by someone else.
And I wouldn't care who you worked for, I'd tell you the same thing. Jumpseat etiquette is very important in this field and I consider it a mark of actually being a professional. If you want to be treated like one, start acting like it.
As an aside, nice job trying to turn it into an "us vs them" thing. Am I supposed to be ashamed that I was fortunate enough to get on with mainline? I know that I thought it in poor taste to see people who got on to a major suddenly seem too good to care about regional pilots, but you seem to take issue with anyone having an interest in what goes on at the regionals if they get on with a major. Of course, this specific discussion is about jumpseat etiquette anyway, so I'm not even sure why that matters to you on this one.
I do actually talk up 9E people and how great of a group it is to ML pilots but stuff like this can leave a lasting negative impression. Even if it's only one person doing it, this type of thing will take off and make the rounds a lot faster than me saying that there are a thousand plus Endeavor pilots who we should get to mainline before they get snagged by someone else.
And I wouldn't care who you worked for, I'd tell you the same thing. Jumpseat etiquette is very important in this field and I consider it a mark of actually being a professional. If you want to be treated like one, start acting like it.
As an aside, nice job trying to turn it into an "us vs them" thing. Am I supposed to be ashamed that I was fortunate enough to get on with mainline? I know that I thought it in poor taste to see people who got on to a major suddenly seem too good to care about regional pilots, but you seem to take issue with anyone having an interest in what goes on at the regionals if they get on with a major. Of course, this specific discussion is about jumpseat etiquette anyway, so I'm not even sure why that matters to you on this one.
03-27-2018, 06:01 PM
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Please re-read my post. I was referrring to two different incidents. The one I was talking about was after the 15 minute cutoff.
But yes, I have been let down prior to 15 minutes a time or two. I have also been assigned seats when non-revving when there are empty seats and boarding hasn’t even started (mostly in ATL and DTW). Sometimes, fate shines on us. At my home airport, I NEVER get a seat until every other passenger has boarded, even if the plane is half empty.
Nowhere did I say you should be ashamed, not sure why you are taking it that way. You have arrived where so many of us hope to someday be, and that’s awesome for you! I am glad there are EDV people there talking good things about the company, because far too many ML pilots seem not to know we even exist. I have actually applauded some of your posts in the past, if you recall (I think it was over the new non rev priority thing, but not sure). My thanks was sincere, but it seems as if you thought otherwise.
But yes, I have been let down prior to 15 minutes a time or two. I have also been assigned seats when non-revving when there are empty seats and boarding hasn’t even started (mostly in ATL and DTW). Sometimes, fate shines on us. At my home airport, I NEVER get a seat until every other passenger has boarded, even if the plane is half empty.
Nowhere did I say you should be ashamed, not sure why you are taking it that way. You have arrived where so many of us hope to someday be, and that’s awesome for you! I am glad there are EDV people there talking good things about the company, because far too many ML pilots seem not to know we even exist. I have actually applauded some of your posts in the past, if you recall (I think it was over the new non rev priority thing, but not sure). My thanks was sincere, but it seems as if you thought otherwise.
As far as nonrev boarding, some gate agents seem to make a personal vendetta against nonrevs to try to force nonrevs to gate check their bags (I actually heard one gate agent make that as an actual PA "all nonrev passengers will be required to gate check bags." They are supposed to start to clear standbys at 30 prior when the flight closes and are authorized to do it earlier in some circumstances (I don't know the specifics there). It always bothered me when certain agents would intentionally wait to clear standbys like you talk about. SEA used to be really bad about it although I understand they've gotten much better.
I think being let down more than 15 prior is just fine in and of itself. For one it lets the jumpseater get their bag onboard. It stinks being the last on and hoping there's room in a closet or somewhere to get your bag on.
One more thing to add (this isn't for you, just a general proclamation0. If you list for a jumpseat and decide to do something else, cancel your listing if at all possible. I was commuting about a week ago and the aircraft was a 75S, which is a 757 that has two jumpseats, I had listed well ahead and an offline pilot (I don't know who for) had listed somewhere else and been assigned to the jumpseat then (not just listed like you're supposed to be). Another offline pilot showed up wanting a ride. I looked into taking the FA jumpseat but it was already taken. The catch is, the one who was assigned the seat didn't show up. Unfortunately the other pilot had already left (I made sure the CA knew there were other pilots wanting to get on when the seat was empty after boarding and the agent did go back up to try to find him). Especially if you see a 1P or 2P on the ticket, make sure to cancel your listing with an agent or in travelnet if you decide to go to a different flight.
03-27-2018, 06:41 PM
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Most times I had a chance to speak to the Captain, or at least the FO, and the potential issue was killed ahead of time. In this case, there was no chance to speak to the crew. The OAL JS was in complete agreement and understood his place in line. Never had the problem at LGA, only ATL.....classic case of Atlantitude from the gate agent.
03-27-2018, 07:03 PM
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03-27-2018, 08:47 PM
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03-27-2018, 08:57 PM
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No worries, I see my post wasn’t written as well as it sounded in my head. (Common occurrence on web forums, I have seen)
And I agree with your sentiments about JS and non rev in general. There’s a particular pecking order, and it should be followed. I have been fairly bumped off the JS by DL folks, and I have also had a very nice DL CA offer to take the FA JS so I could get home, so I would never do anything to mess that up (I believe in karma). In fact, any time I can take the JS and let another non-rev board, I do so (about the only nice thing I can do from within my own little pond).
Thanks for the discourse, hopefully some new person will read this one day and learn something from the discussion.
And I agree with your sentiments about JS and non rev in general. There’s a particular pecking order, and it should be followed. I have been fairly bumped off the JS by DL folks, and I have also had a very nice DL CA offer to take the FA JS so I could get home, so I would never do anything to mess that up (I believe in karma). In fact, any time I can take the JS and let another non-rev board, I do so (about the only nice thing I can do from within my own little pond).
Thanks for the discourse, hopefully some new person will read this one day and learn something from the discussion.
My apologies. If you read back, I believe the other responder thought the same thing, it sounded to me like you were giving it as an advantage of being let down early. I did completely misread your post and your response as well. I thought I was out of character, but that kind of etiquette can get me riled up as you saw.
As far as nonrev boarding, some gate agents seem to make a personal vendetta against nonrevs to try to force nonrevs to gate check their bags (I actually heard one gate agent make that as an actual PA "all nonrev passengers will be required to gate check bags." They are supposed to start to clear standbys at 30 prior when the flight closes and are authorized to do it earlier in some circumstances (I don't know the specifics there). It always bothered me when certain agents would intentionally wait to clear standbys like you talk about. SEA used to be really bad about it although I understand they've gotten much better.
I think being let down more than 15 prior is just fine in and of itself. For one it lets the jumpseater get their bag onboard. It stinks being the last on and hoping there's room in a closet or somewhere to get your bag on.
One more thing to add (this isn't for you, just a general proclamation0. If you list for a jumpseat and decide to do something else, cancel your listing if at all possible. I was commuting about a week ago and the aircraft was a 75S, which is a 757 that has two jumpseats, I had listed well ahead and an offline pilot (I don't know who for) had listed somewhere else and been assigned to the jumpseat then (not just listed like you're supposed to be). Another offline pilot showed up wanting a ride. I looked into taking the FA jumpseat but it was already taken. The catch is, the one who was assigned the seat didn't show up. Unfortunately the other pilot had already left (I made sure the CA knew there were other pilots wanting to get on when the seat was empty after boarding and the agent did go back up to try to find him). Especially if you see a 1P or 2P on the ticket, make sure to cancel your listing with an agent or in travelnet if you decide to go to a different flight.
As far as nonrev boarding, some gate agents seem to make a personal vendetta against nonrevs to try to force nonrevs to gate check their bags (I actually heard one gate agent make that as an actual PA "all nonrev passengers will be required to gate check bags." They are supposed to start to clear standbys at 30 prior when the flight closes and are authorized to do it earlier in some circumstances (I don't know the specifics there). It always bothered me when certain agents would intentionally wait to clear standbys like you talk about. SEA used to be really bad about it although I understand they've gotten much better.
I think being let down more than 15 prior is just fine in and of itself. For one it lets the jumpseater get their bag onboard. It stinks being the last on and hoping there's room in a closet or somewhere to get your bag on.
One more thing to add (this isn't for you, just a general proclamation0. If you list for a jumpseat and decide to do something else, cancel your listing if at all possible. I was commuting about a week ago and the aircraft was a 75S, which is a 757 that has two jumpseats, I had listed well ahead and an offline pilot (I don't know who for) had listed somewhere else and been assigned to the jumpseat then (not just listed like you're supposed to be). Another offline pilot showed up wanting a ride. I looked into taking the FA jumpseat but it was already taken. The catch is, the one who was assigned the seat didn't show up. Unfortunately the other pilot had already left (I made sure the CA knew there were other pilots wanting to get on when the seat was empty after boarding and the agent did go back up to try to find him). Especially if you see a 1P or 2P on the ticket, make sure to cancel your listing with an agent or in travelnet if you decide to go to a different flight.
03-28-2018, 11:06 AM
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