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Old 01-14-2018, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JayBee
thanks again for previous answers. its not an easy decision to give up earned seniority and start over at another airline. I don't think it will be all sunshine and roses at 9E but the following questions might give some more insight...

when does pay start at 9E ? door closed or wheel movement ?

do you need to carefully audit your paycheck every pay period ?

do you need to submit pay claims for overtime, holiday, etc etc ?

if you find an error in pay beyond XX days time are you forever screwed out of that pay ?

never used PBS how is it overall for bottom middle and top 1/3 ? is it like I've heard top 1/3 gets 18 days off a month and 90 credit and bottom 2/3 gets 11 days off and 80 hours credit ?

trips commutable? avg day credit ? ya'll have min day or trip/duty rigs ?

what mechanisms are in place if you want to trade out of a trip or just plain drop a trip? (we have schedule adjustment, seniority based and first come first serve...) how often are you able to actually trade (need green days I assume?)?

reading through the last few pages doesn't seem hotels/schedulers are much better

appreciate any feed back, like said its not an easy decision to give up earned seniority...
I had to ask a volunteer about how long pay is good for. Apparently forever, but it goes both ways, and that is a Minnesota law and as long as the company is based in MSP it'll stay that way.

Looking at the union email: the company will pay all of our door issues through their own audit. All of them, since May.

I pick up a couple days each month. One of the volunteering pilots told me rainmaker is always wrong, i attack it like it's wrong, and i find a little extra money every month. Crew scheduling codes the trips wrong and it's not always FLICAs fault. I ask for help and I got a lot of it. Im not as good as the grievance guys but theres lots of help if you watch ask.
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Old 01-14-2018, 05:53 PM
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Just to clarify. Its 4 hours per duty period not day. Years ago we had trips with 3 duty periods in 2 calendar days. 12 hrs pay minimum.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
So frustrating. I am the only one that gave no effs. Delayed deadhead, which caused a misconnect so I just booked it home and took my chances. To now, I still have no notifications or schedule modifications and that trip ended yesterday. All I care is that rainmaker is accurate and it is.
Just like after the bankruptcy exodus or competitor airline hiring gimmicks, things only change when it hits them in the bottom line. The more we go out of our way making up for the problems of scheduling the less will get fixed... Don't be stupid, don't sabotage things that otherwise wouldn't fall apart, but don't bail out the other department's failings... I assure you that years of experience shows they will throw flight ops under the bus to cover their own "6". And that goes for dispatch, inflight, training, ground ops, tech ops, DCI, Delta.... you get the idea... Do your job according to what the written guidance says (get it in writing or it's as good as rotten cheese) and you should be covered 99.99% of the time. (there's always an exception it seems in life so, yea)
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Old 01-15-2018, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz
They need to hire more schedulers. I was on hold over 2 hours and couldn’t reach anyone. After an hour 45 someone picked up and said please hold. I would have stayed on the line but I had to fly
There are so many call centers that after informing you the number of callers ahead and estimated wait time, offer you an opportunity to be called back based on your queue position. It does not seem like a stretch to have them turn on such a feature for more than 5 in queue or wait time > 30 min...

You get a call back instead of walking around with speaker on or phone glued to your ear and the call-taker does not see any difference since the software handles the callback when you are the next in line for service!

Just say'in!
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Old 01-15-2018, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by preflight
There are so many call centers that after informing you the number of callers ahead and estimated wait time, offer you an opportunity to be called back based on your queue position. It does not seem like a stretch to have them turn on such a feature for more than 5 in queue or wait time > 30 min...

You get a call back instead of walking around with speaker on or phone glued to your ear and the call-taker does not see any difference since the software handles the callback when you are the next in line for service!

Just say'in!
Hell even the VA has that feature and it WORKS. Which as we all know is amazing considering it's the VA.
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Old 01-15-2018, 06:33 AM
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thanks for the replies much appreciated !

I reckon the only things left to ask are -

cancellation pay leg by leg ?

displacement rules ?

thanks

PS - I never thought pay was intentionally trying to screw me but there are enough mistakes often enough that like I said you need to carefully scrutinize every pay check, not just a cursory "that looks right, got my preem"
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Old 01-15-2018, 06:52 AM
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Cancellation leg by leg... Yes.
Displacement rules... Not really sure but maybe someone getting displaced right now can clear that up.

Btw, as far as commutability (asked earlier) our 4 day trips are today commutable on one end. And our 5 day trips are almost always commutable on both ends depending where you're coming from. 4 and 5 days make up over half of all trips. Like was said, 5 days are rigged to 25 hours.

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Old 01-15-2018, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
Just like after the bankruptcy exodus or competitor airline hiring gimmicks, things only change when it hits them in the bottom line. The more we go out of our way making up for the problems of scheduling the less will get fixed... Don't be stupid, don't sabotage things that otherwise wouldn't fall apart, but don't bail out the other department's failings... I assure you that years of experience shows they will throw flight ops under the bus to cover their own "6". And that goes for dispatch, inflight, training, ground ops, tech ops, DCI, Delta.... you get the idea... Do your job according to what the written guidance says (get it in writing or it's as good as rotten cheese) and you should be covered 99.99% of the time. (there's always an exception it seems in life so, yea)
Well said Avroman. To the letter. I couldn’t agree more. I do feel for the persons that were displaced during this irop. But it seldom affects me since I keep stuff simple.
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Old 01-15-2018, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by slowyourroll
Just to clarify. Its 4 hours per duty period not day. Years ago we had trips with 3 duty periods in 2 calendar days. 12 hrs pay minimum.
It's duty period AND day. As in multiple duty periods gets multiple min days, but a day without flying (32 hr layver) gets a min day as well.
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Old 01-15-2018, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
It's duty period AND day. As in multiple duty periods gets multiple min days, but a day without flying (32 hr layver) gets a min day as well.
You're absolutely right.
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