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Old 12-14-2015, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Arvik
Is the $23,000 a one-time (or one-year) thing? In other words, would a 2016 hire still get $23,000 (20k retention + 3k training as opposed to 23k retention) for 2016 but then $20k in subsequent years while those already at the airline still get the $23k retention in those years? Or is the total amount still the same and it's just a matter of what components it breaks up into?
Here's all I know:

FIRST YEAR PAY

Effective January 1, 2016, the First Officer 0-1 year pay scale will be changed to $30 per hour and will be subject to the same across-the-board increases as all other rates each January 16th thereafter.


NEW HIRE BONUS

Pilots hired after January 1, 2016, will receive a $3,000 bonus upon successful completion of training, which the company may increase to a maximum of $10,000.


$3000 RETENTION PAYMENT INCREASE

Current pilots will be eligible for retention payments of up to $23,000 annually for 2016, 2017, and 2018. Future new hires will be eligible for retention payments of up to $20,000 during their first year of service.
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Old 12-14-2015, 11:00 AM
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If I'm reading that right, it's a one year $20,000, then the same as anyone else.
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Old 12-14-2015, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Arvik
Is the $23,000 a one-time (or one-year) thing? In other words, would a 2016 hire still get $23,000 (20k retention + 3k training as opposed to 23k retention) for 2016 but then $20k in subsequent years while those already at the airline still get the $23k retention in those years? Or is the total amount still the same and it's just a matter of what components it breaks up into?
This is how it seems to be for a 2016 hire according to the proposed agreement:
Year 1: 3k bonus and 20k retention
Year 2, 3: 23k retention

Retention bonus ends after 2018, but I'd imagine something will change between now and then.
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Old 12-14-2015, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingmau5
Is it me or is there almost no movement down at the bottom of the MSP CPJ200 FO? I was hoping for a line this coming month... Wonder if I should bid the 9 when next vacancy comes out.
Remember the mock bids look nothing like what will actually come out. Give it time, the Jr line holder on the -200 is a June hire, just remember that when looking at the -900 schedules.
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8 years..... And counting
Holy crap. Hopefully movement comes for you soon with everyone coming on property.
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Old 12-14-2015, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by CFin
Holy crap. Hopefully movement comes for you soon with everyone coming on property.
Hopefully

And I wasn't on reserve all that time, this is a recent (since August) occurance, I had a line most of the time before that.
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Old 12-14-2015, 11:48 AM
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I hope this hasn't been already discussed - but why new hire and retention bonuses (boni?)? Do they expect a lot of retirement/hiring at the majors, and losing all of their captains? This question is from a new poster to this website - 700 tt and thinking about plunging into CFI work to get to 1500. From everything I'm reading on this and other sites, seems like a good time to get into this industry. I've also read about Piedmont with a flowthru, and Republic offering 40/hour to start.
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Originally Posted by Five93H
This is how it seems to be for a 2016 hire according to the proposed agreement:
Year 1: 3k bonus and 20k retention
Year 2, 3: 23k retention

Retention bonus ends after 2018, but I'd imagine something will change between now and then.
Makes sense. Thanks (and also to others who answered).
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Originally Posted by CTPropGuy
I hope this hasn't been already discussed - but why new hire and retention bonuses (boni?)? Do they expect a lot of retirement/hiring at the majors, and losing all of their captains? This question is from a new poster to this website - 700 tt and thinking about plunging into CFI work to get to 1500. From everything I'm reading on this and other sites, seems like a good time to get into this industry. I've also read about Piedmont with a flowthru, and Republic offering 40/hour to start.
The retention pay, as I understand it, is to keep pilots from making lateral moves and starting over at other regionals chasing upgrades, money, etc (this was big back in late 2013).

With the new adjustments, 9E pilots will avg around 56k first year when you factor in all the bonuses, per diems, etc. Fly above average and you'll be pushing north of 60k. That's far and above the industry average, and well above RJets offering.

Good luck with your decision!
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Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason
The retention pay, as I understand it, is to keep pilots from making lateral moves and starting over at other regionals chasing upgrades, money, etc (this was big back in late 2013).

With the new adjustments, 9E pilots will avg around 56k first year when you factor in all the bonuses, per diems, etc. Fly above average and you'll be pushing north of 60k. That's far and above the industry average, and well above RJets offering.

Good luck with your decision!
Endeavor has major stagnation at the top level. Some were awarded a cherry sweet seniority number, and have no intention moving on, and I don't blame them. There should be some movement, but most are in it for the long run. Basically we need more airframes to make this place worth it. Again...reserve IS NOT A CHOICE! Not when bills have to be paid. JAN Mock bid out ...eleven year guy still six numbers from a line. Don't sugar coat it,.this place is still a sh!t show.
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