Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
10-14-2017, 09:30 AM
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Lots of peeps chiming in on this forum have never seen the dark side. This TA has some good stuff for sure.....but co-domicile without sufficient transportation is a problem. Figure that out, and make it a 3-4 year deal and I’ll vote yes. I’m not afraid of being Comaired....pretty positive I can find employment almost immediately.
10-14-2017, 11:02 AM
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I am TalkTurkey and historically speaking (if you check my posts in the past) I’ve done just that. Talk turkey. Im telling you that a NO VOTE will yield more benefits from a PLAN B contract extension that is already negotiated and easily able for implementation. Vote NO first and vote NO fast.
If you believe, we as a pilot group have some bargaining power over Delta please please give us a coherent opinion free fact base argument.
Can Delta "Comair" us? The answer is a BIG YES. There is no historical evidence that points to any argument suggesting otherwise. While Delta can not replace us in 90 days, historically, Delta has shown they are big enough powerful enough and arrogant to replace us. Can you site the number of flights GoJets is canceling or shifting to other airlines that suggest they can not staff their airline? From all indications Gojets, Republic, SkyWest, and Compass are keeping up attrition. Over the next year what percentage of our block hours can Delta shift over to any of the aforementioned (not to mention a shift to mainline) to cause a serious reduction in a pilots pay and quality of life? While our death might not be an ax blow to the neck, it is however more likely to be death by a thousand paper-cuts. One airplane, two airplanes at a time either parked or moved to one of our competitors.
In comparison to our competitors what percentage of this contract is subpar? Very little. We will be the highest paid and taken as a whole will have some of the better work rules in our segment of the industry.
But what about the flow through? Again look at history. American has a flow through not because the Eagle pilots stomped their feet but because APA (from my understanding) won single carrier status and during arbitration agreed to flow the ALPA pilots into American. Delta mainline pilots have shown nothing but contempt for a flow through.
One more thought. What percentage of the money Delta has earmarked for this contract could be shifted over to Republic, Skywest Compass, GoJets or for that matter another Fee for Departure Airline not in the DCA family in order for them to attract qualified pilots to staff and grow their airline?
I do not know for a fact if we turn down this contract Delta would not come back to the table and offer up more. Conversely anyone advocating sticking it to the man to make them come back to the table is living in a fantasy world, not based in fact, historically or otherwise. No one on the forum has spoken to Ed or any one from Delta to have the inside scoop. Like them or hate them closest we have to the inside scoop is our ALPA reps.
10-14-2017, 12:40 PM
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Different times. They need us more than we need them. Until you understand that, we will never see eye to eye. I would have absolutely zero difficulty finding another 121 job. Bonus bonus bonus
10-14-2017, 01:07 PM
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Like I said before what evidence historical or otherwise do any of the Vote No squad have that Delta will be back at the table offering more? Have you entertained the possibility a no vote weakens us? Maybe they comeback and say hey take less or we "Will" Comair you over the next year or two. How are you better off if this happens?
10-14-2017, 02:00 PM
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How do they need us more than we need them? The question (at least for me) is not that you would have zero difficulty finding another job but rather is that other job going to pay as well if not more? Of course the follow up is; if that other job is better why not bail ASAP? Fact anyone who has been here a year or longer will lose if we are forced to find new jobs. If you are a short timer what does it matter to you? get your money and move on the bigger money.
Like I said before what evidence historical or otherwise do any of the Vote No squad have that Delta will be back at the table offering more? Have you entertained the possibility a no vote weakens us? Maybe they comeback and say hey take less or we "Will" Comair you over the next year or two. How are you better off if this happens?
Like I said before what evidence historical or otherwise do any of the Vote No squad have that Delta will be back at the table offering more? Have you entertained the possibility a no vote weakens us? Maybe they comeback and say hey take less or we "Will" Comair you over the next year or two. How are you better off if this happens?
The only evidence I have is experience. They shutdown comair because of costs and the ability to allocate the planes elsewhere. Can they do that to us ? Sure..current pilot supply is running low. All indications back that up. I’m not saying we are Bruce almighty...I’m saying the ball is in our court...........if you’ve been in the industry long enough, you know this is the first time in a LONG time we have leverage. Need to see more gains in this TA
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