Bartok

Anyone else find it ironic that at a time when people are upgrading as quickly as they can get their hours and are being offered over $50 starting pay that pilots are b!tching?

These negotiations were about turning TEMPORARY bonus' into permanent hourly wages.

The union did it and more.

teddy3412

If I could vote I'd be voting yes. The union wanted pay rates and other improvents and they got those with some extras thrown in. I would expect anyone here towards the end of this contract would see even more improvements on top of this.

Space Ranger

I think Mesa and ASA are both hiring if you aren't happy at this place...

BlueMoon

Most people starting now didn’t have to be an FO for 7-9 years at 30-38 bucks an hour. They don’t know how good they have it.

Avroman

And that guy is the reason for the provision that prohibits reserves from ever having less than 3 reserve days. Won't even be able to drop or trade if it causes less than 3 in a row. The P3 2 on 1 off trick is being banned. Watch P3 become the junior contact time with all the "clock swapping" that will go on with 3+ days available. And then those P1's will get the lovely 5 am wakeup to be converted to CDO flying that night because the night before the P3 was converted to cover day flying. There really needed to be protections on day/night swapping and first and last day start and end times for that give. The reserve abuse I'm seeing in all the reserve rule tweaks isn't worth that one extra day off. And who the hell cares how much a reserve day is worth (raising it to 4 hours) since there is still no credit awarded to a reserve day not called in. All that does is burn more sick time for a day called off.
Strictly speaking about the reserve proposals, take it from a career reserve, they aren't good. Not worth just the one extra day off a month. Maybe if they added in that any unused reserve day also credited 4 hours (or at least say 3.75) then I'd probably say ok but we are making reserve even more awful for one more hard day off. And keep in mind that with one less day of reserve, and still no credit for an unused day, that makes it that much harder to hit the 83 hrs/month to keep the pay from becoming a pay cut.

Yumyum

I'm not saying get it now...the whole package is close, but needs to be slightly tweaked. Flow and all that jazz will have to come from DL, I think it's pointless for our group to keep talking about it. It's okay to counter a deal isn't it?

legend

[QUOTE=Yumyum;2441712]I'm not saying get it now...the whole package is close, but needs to be slightly tweaked. Flow and all that jazz will have to come from DL, I think it's pointless for our group to keep talking about it. It's okay to counter a deal isn't it?[/

I believe the whole point was to put the bonus into wage ie; better tax bracket, it won’t expire and income potential. The Union could have LOA’d the pay rate without ratification but wanted to do more than just pay. This was not meant to redo the whole contract. I truly believe if we as a pilot group are patient, the job progression everyone is looking for will come. As someone mentioned when has anyone ever see $50/ hr first year at any regional? I started at $17. Things have changed for the better finally but this is not the last time we will be negotiating at the table. We have the demand and that’s why we’re able to get what’s in this updated contract. I’m not convinced it will evenly compete with American but if it doesn’t the table will be rolled back out you can guarantee that. Supply and Demand.

msprj2

P3 is to cover cdos. If you're only doing 2 on 1 off doesn't that
Only cover 1 cdo. Most cdos are in stretches of 2-3. You would need 2-3 rsv lines just to cover one sick call. Complete waste of resources

TallFlyer

Even with these rates, will there still be a new hire bonus?

Urbandrone

We have been negotiating for over a year. This deal has had hundreds of offers and counter offers between our representatives and the company representatives. We have been through the collective bargaining process, it's time to accept or decline.