Originally Posted by madeinUSA

I would go to SkyWest. Not even a question.

Originally Posted by flapsfail

We really need to see the details of this, especially how the company plans on withholding trips. There is a great post on the endeavor message board explaining how the company will try and practice and the problems executing their plan regarding scheduling and PBS. The problem will be the implantation. Jr line holders could end up on rsv and Jr LCA's could be getting the premium trips. As always, the devil is in the details.

It'll be interesting what is happening with the retention bonus. The other items on "the list" aren't huge gains for us and given the info we've received, I'm not sure what we're willing to give up is worth what's being proposed


Exactly. 150% open time doesn't do anything for reserve pilots and Endeavor has a ton of 8-11 year pilots on reserve so that's a failure. DH pay I won't even address because I don't DH enough to give a Sh!t. Hotels for comutters...um how does this help reserve pilots ?? Hey ALPA do you realize how many senior pilots are on reserve at Endeavor? Stop trying to shove this garbage down our throats.

Take DL's RJ900 pay rates and make them active...then take all the LOA's, retention bonuses, DH's, vacation increases, blah blah blah and dump it all.

Done..see how it that was? We are worth the money

Originally Posted by Yumyum

Rsv isn't 10yrs. Try 3 months.

Originally Posted by Farmlover

2004 hire on reserve in NY. You think I make this Sh!t up? Yes there is movement, but there is boat loads of guys with 10 years longevity on reserve!

Originally Posted by stillcantfly

Call me crazy, but throwing money at a problem is nice, but not going to solve the issue. It just puts a bandaid on it. Reducing upgrade time and giving pilots better bases with one on the east coast, one in the Midwest and one on the west coast that are safe and affordable. that provide a QOL will fix a lot. Also provide a career path out of the regionals and not a 30% chance at delta will take this place new new heights management never could dream of.

Originally Posted by Gearswinger

To be fair, they are also talking about an increase in the retention payments, 100% for deadheads, and 150% for all open time, which are provisions that will help everyone. However, them giving a bunch of cash to one group (new hires with increased pay and end of training bonus) while not extending it to the rest of us is insulting. Who wants to bet that 1st year FOs end up making more than every other FO once the details of this are announced?

Originally Posted by Imapilot2

I remember a while back Mesaba ALPA refused to allow new hire bonuses. They said raise to all or none.

Originally Posted by Imapilot2

your crazy.

An airline flying enough ac in and out of a city so that it can (give better bases)(that are safe and affordable).

Airlines fly planes to make money, not make pilots happy. Don't like the bases? pick a different airline. geesh

Originally Posted by stillcantfly

Go read my previous post!!! I live in base!!!!!! I have lots of friends who won't come here regardless of pay because of our bases...... Meaning we are losing out on lots of potential pilots to come here as they go to Skywest/compass/PSA. Skywest is able to hire 50-60 a month due to there bases!!

Originally Posted by Imapilot2

Can you read? Who cares if you live in base. That has nothing to do with what I said. You offer that airlines could appeal to more pilots if they change their bases. That is ignorant. Bases exist because of their location and its profitability. Not for its appeal to pilots. End of discussion.