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09-29-2017, 12:15 PM
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A flow is something that must be gifted by the mainline pilots of Delta to us. There is no way to strong arm them into it. The AA flow is a mainline contractual agreement with APA, dating back to the early 90's. The Mesaba flow was something the NWA mainline pilots extended to us, as a provision of operating 76 seat jets. Do you think Delta pilots are going to spend negotiating capital on us getting a flow?
09-29-2017, 12:20 PM
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This guy knows what he is talking about. Any future flow will come through DALPA. Most Delta pilots don't even know we are a owned by Delta. To DALPA we are nothing more than the JV squad, a bunch of petulant 13 year-olds. Yes the market favors us but Delta is big enough and bad enough to comair us just for a board room laugh.
09-29-2017, 12:30 PM
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So your saying that if they didn't give mesaba 900s without a flow, you would not have accepted the planes? I think you're mistaken about the pilots willing us a flow. Market is what dictates a company's need to give and take. Market determines all of that. Not the stupid pilots. If that were the case, why even have management? Just let the pilots run the thing.
The Delta pilots got into a fight with Comair pilots over the Delta furloughs. If you were rejected by the Delta hiring process, you will NEVER be a Delta pilot, you have to accept that.
09-29-2017, 12:31 PM
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This guy knows what he is talking about. Any future flow will come through DALPA. Most Delta pilots don't even know we are a owned by Delta. To DALPA we are nothing more than the JV squad, a bunch of petulant 13 year-olds. Yes the market favors us but Delta is big enough and bad enough to comair us just for a board room laugh.
09-29-2017, 12:34 PM
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09-29-2017, 12:36 PM
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That my friend is exactly my point. Delta is big enough and bad enough to say "Toodles" It is a mistake to think we have the power to move Delta from a position they do not want to be moved from. 16000 flights a day, sure it will hurt to throw us under the bus but remember in the big picture we are still small potatoes. We are not mainline and we do not have mainline clout.
09-29-2017, 12:51 PM
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I think what everyone needs to remember that is not about flow and never was.
This is about turning a temporary bonus into permanent hourly wages.
Luckily they are making other contract changes to our benefit in exchange for changing our amendable date.
If there are enough good things in it to buy an extended amendable date, then its a good deal.
Delta will give a flow only when they decide they want a flow. Any forcing of the issue is counterproductive.
This is about turning a temporary bonus into permanent hourly wages.
Luckily they are making other contract changes to our benefit in exchange for changing our amendable date.
If there are enough good things in it to buy an extended amendable date, then its a good deal.
Delta will give a flow only when they decide they want a flow. Any forcing of the issue is counterproductive.
We can keep pressing for flow after this this is passed, and if it happens it's going to happen through great performance, cost effectiveness, and professionalism. We're not going to hold them hostage until they agree to our demands. We keep voting no on a good TA won't they just rethink whether or not we're worth the trouble? That's what I'd do if I owned an airline...
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