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Old 12-10-2015, 07:38 PM
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Do you suppose "increase in pilot retention payments" means an increase in the dollar amount or an increase in the longevity of the program?
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:56 PM
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Do you suppose "increase in pilot retention payments" means an increase in the dollar amount or an increase in the longevity of the program?
It will most likely be duration. The idea is to attract new hires and they will be getting bonuses anyway.
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Union update,

The MEC will travel to the Minneapolis ALPA Office tomorrow, December 11, for a Special Meeting. The Negotiating Committee expects to complete its work with the company on a tentative agreement regarding the Mutual Benefit Package that has been under development for the past several months. Included in this package are:

· Restoration of 150% premium pay for all open time
· 100% deadhead pay
· Increase in vacation pay from 2.5 hours per day to 3.5 hours per day
· Premium pay for pilots enabling Max Line Range
· Parking stipend for commuters
· Company paid hotel room for pilots rescheduled to overnight in their domicile
· Improved early release provisions for reserves
· Reserve ability to commute during the call out period on the first day of a reserve sequence
· Reserve pilot waiver of domicile rest to allow last day super seniority for RRA
· Earlier bid timelines for line pilots and FTIs
· Ability for pilots to convert an end of trip deadhead to domicile to a deadhead home
· Increase in open time to alleviate or eliminate PBS credit push
· Increase in pilot retention payments

In exchange, pilots would report 15 minutes earlier in outstations, and the company would have the ability to withhold a limited number of pairings from bidding to accomplish OE flying. The company would also increase first year First Officer wages and offer a completion of training bonus to new pilots in order to ensure the staffing necessary to support the growth plan upon which this package is based. Watch for further updates from the MEC as they meet this weekend.
Underwhelming. If they want to increase 1st year pay then bring back the 8 year FO pay scale. Insulting to only increase first year pay. Disappointing.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jules11
Do you suppose "increase in pilot retention payments" means an increase in the dollar amount or an increase in the longevity of the program?
im guessing both.
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Underwhelming. If they want to increase 1st year pay then bring back the 8 year FO pay scale. Insulting to only increase first year pay. Disappointing.
Couldn't have said it better.......thanks for all the hard work and commitment to us......oh hey new guy here's a bunch of money to come here!!!!😂😂😂
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The 15 minute earlier report would match up with Delta's. Delta management also tried this with us, the pulling of trips out bid pack for IOE, was a big no no for us and one of the reasons we turned ours down at Delta.

Hopefully you guys can get rid of that airport RR crap.
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Old 12-11-2015, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Underwhelming. If they want to increase 1st year pay then bring back the 8 year FO pay scale. Insulting to only increase first year pay. Disappointing.
Don't get insulted if you are an FO making 4 year cap pay. Attracting New hire pilots gets you to 8 year CA pay which is much higher than any 8 year FO pay would ever be. I realize that what has happened in the industry over the last 10 years has left a bitter taste in everyone's mouth but let's focus on the future. The future is lots of movement to the majors and getting the Regional FO longevity back down to under three years. If we give a New Hire a 10k bonus and it means an 8 year capped FO gets a 40k raise isn't that the kind of deal you would want. If your position is screw the upgrade let this place shut its doors then you should just move on to somewhere else and get out of the way since you don't care about the success of Endeavor anyway. Bottom line keep things in perspective. Endeavor is now a growing airline.
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Originally Posted by WIPilot
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I agree, I think we can expect bigger retention bonuses and a longer duration with the company wanting to institute completion of training bonuses and higher first year pay. All signs are pointing to this company wanting to grow and that helps everyone.
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:47 AM
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I agree, I think we can expect bigger retention bonuses and a longer duration with the company wanting to institute completion of training bonuses and higher first year pay. All signs are pointing to this company wanting to grow and that helps everyone.
I'm in recurrent now and according to the ALPA brief, the company shot down a request to extend the retention payments for a 5th year. They want an actually increase in base pay so I'm guessing the email is referring to an increase in the amount of retention payments.
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Old 12-11-2015, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RightSide
Union update,

The MEC will travel to the Minneapolis ALPA Office tomorrow, December 11, for a Special Meeting. The Negotiating Committee expects to complete its work with the company on a tentative agreement regarding the Mutual Benefit Package that has been under development for the past several months. Included in this package are:

· Restoration of 150% premium pay for all open time
· 100% deadhead pay
· Increase in vacation pay from 2.5 hours per day to 3.5 hours per day
· Premium pay for pilots enabling Max Line Range
· Parking stipend for commuters
· Company paid hotel room for pilots rescheduled to overnight in their domicile
· Improved early release provisions for reserves
· Reserve ability to commute during the call out period on the first day of a reserve sequence
· Reserve pilot waiver of domicile rest to allow last day super seniority for RRA
· Earlier bid timelines for line pilots and FTIs
· Ability for pilots to convert an end of trip deadhead to domicile to a deadhead home
· Increase in open time to alleviate or eliminate PBS credit push
· Increase in pilot retention payments

In exchange, pilots would report 15 minutes earlier in outstations, and the company would have the ability to withhold a limited number of pairings from bidding to accomplish OE flying. The company would also increase first year First Officer wages and offer a completion of training bonus to new pilots in order to ensure the staffing necessary to support the growth plan upon which this package is based. Watch for further updates from the MEC as they meet this weekend.
I don't know half of what this is, but the stuff I understand seems great. I'm looking forward to starting next month. Looks like maybe some improvements for reserve people? I'm sure I'll be on reserve somewhere for quite a while (hoping for NYC eventually) so anything helps!
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