Five93H

The good stuff comes later on. I didn't even bid this month and couldn't touch opentime until the second week and still managed to add 50 hours of credit.

teddy3412

mmm just love me some high speeds!

Avroman

Flow isn't about staffing mainline, flow is about staffing Endeavor... when we stop finding 60 suckers... er new hires a month and go back to 1 to 3 per month like the ETD days, a flow might be attainable... Until then we are going to be lucky to get the bonus converted to 83 hours credit....

Avroman

23 reserves "required" on 9/27-29 DTW 900 Captain.... 12 available... Oh there are 23 reserve lineholders for the month.... Why are we putting up with this kind of bull shat??? This hurts reserves and lineholders alike. No trades or drops for anyone that week

WhiskeyDelta

Flow will not be attained this contract cycle or even the next for 9E. I can't make that any clearer. Delta will explore all options before relenting on this.

Iceberg

You sure are certain. Is that the facts, Ed?

I'm not saying I disagree, I don't think flow is happening anytime soon either. I'm just questioning your "all knowing, no questions" mentality on this. How can you be certain that this will not happen? Obviously, Delta is not having any issues hiring. As Avro said though, it wouldn't be a tool to staff Delta. The purpose of a flow is to put pilots into the seats on the RJ/lower pay scale side of the operation. I wouldn't be assuring the many viewers of APC with 100% certainty that there will be no flow since Delta can hire. It's going to come down to RJ staffing.

Edgecrusher28

As Wayne would say " asphinctorsayswhat"

WhiskeyDelta

In case you missed my post from two days ago, just this week I looked the guy in charge of this decision in the eye and he said in no uncertain terms it will not happen. Take it or leave it but I do not share that experience lightly. There is an institutional and generational aversion to it that borders on obsession. I never said it was an impossibility, just that it won't happen this contract cycle or most likely not even the next. Suffice it to say, most of you discussing the topic now won't be at 9E long enough to see it happen anyway.

Do not get me wrong, I'm not saying this decision is right or wrong. Frankly, it's out of my hands. That said, I think given this it would be wise to go aggressively for things that are more achievable. Pay, QOL, and benefit improvements to start.

What's ALPA's take on this? Is it the number priority? If not, then that goes to help validate my stance on this.

msprj2

I for one believe you. All it takes is a couple people at
Delta to not want it. We cannot change their minds. Simple.
If we could, great let's spend our capital on it. But it's not attainable.
So let's concentrate on QOL and $.

Iceberg

Can I ask who that would be? I'm not arguing with you, I appreciate you sharing the conversation, I am just curious who it was that told you. If hiring were to slow at Endeavor is this person above the level of being pressured into changing their mind? I get that the selection process is highly valued for the Delta culture, I just wonder where the point comes that DCI was struggling to staff badly enough to change the process.