Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
08-17-2017, 11:12 AM
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DAL management and or other airline management are not the problem. Never were. Management will always be trying to pay employees the least. My question is why should DAL or indirectly Endeavor management pay us higher wages and allow better benefits when ALPA National and mainline pilots do not support regional pilots? ALPA National does not even consider us (regional pilots) as real pilots. Only real pilots work at a mainline. If a mainline management knows that ALPA National will not support its pilots it supposedly represents, I don't think management has much to worry about in its negotiations.
08-17-2017, 11:24 AM
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Yes regional pilots may be in positions at ALPA but how high up and have any power and influence over mainlines?
08-17-2017, 11:32 AM
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OK explain a few things please. Why is whipsawing permitted at the regionals not at mainline? Why isn't mainline management compelled to honor agreements? Why can a mainline buy a regional and allowed to disband or throw all pilots out to the streets or force substandard contracts should they choose when not allowed to do that to another mainline? All done under the guise of ALPA?
Yes regional pilots may be in positions at ALPA but how high up and have any power and influence over mainlines?
Yes regional pilots may be in positions at ALPA but how high up and have any power and influence over mainlines?
08-17-2017, 11:44 AM
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Why isn't whipsawing permitted at mainline? What kind of a dumb question is that? Until you do a little bit of light reading on the differences between mainline and subcontract flying, scope clauses and what ALPA "national" really is and its limitations under the RLA, I'm not going try and argue with you. Just like you can't argue with a 2 year old on why the sky is blue.
08-17-2017, 11:54 AM
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Thank you for kind words. Yes it is a dumb question. About as dumb as giving up scope. The flying I do now was once done at mainline before. Mainline pilots and ALPA created this cesspool and were forced to swim in it and not feel victimized for their failure or complain. I am merely trying to point out to those that are wanting more in any new contract shouldn't expect much based on history.
08-17-2017, 12:04 PM
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Mesabas agreement with NWA. All pilots flowed to DAL instead of only a few.
08-17-2017, 01:18 PM
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Remember in 1991 when APA won single carrier status with "the Eagles" at the NMB, but ALPA sued to maintain representation of regional pilots.
08-17-2017, 04:48 PM
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[QUOTE=Aviationslave;2411892]My recruiter buddy at Envoy just said they are announcing a new bonus at Envoy. 45k bonus first day of class if you have 600 121 and are willing to sign a training contract
If Envoy keeps upping their cash, we might start to see Captains leaving 9E for Envoy. Paycut will be minimal and career progression will outshine...watchout folks, it's starting to get wild. They can say no flow no raise no nothing ....but if we start bleeding pilots things will change RAPIDLY
If Envoy keeps upping their cash, we might start to see Captains leaving 9E for Envoy. Paycut will be minimal and career progression will outshine...watchout folks, it's starting to get wild. They can say no flow no raise no nothing ....but if we start bleeding pilots things will change RAPIDLY
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