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Old 08-15-2017, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by KINGnAIR
Ok thanks for your response. I'm looking at Endeavor as a potential employer once I'm fully certified and meet ATP mins. I have plenty of family in the New York area and a significant other living in Toronto Canada. So I like the idea of either operating a flight into Toronto on an overnight or if on a deadhead, being able to change it to a commercial deadhead home instead. Outside of open time pick ups, what are other ways one can increase pay.


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Open time is really your best way. All open time is 150% and some is 200% but usually just last minute trips during irop recovery. But if you live in or around NY you can clean up 200% open time pay. Just call up scheduling and say show me the money haha. Other than that, you can get creative with how you bid to make more money.

You can also enable Max line range when bidding to get more efficient trips that put you over 85 hours for the month, guaranteeing you some premium pay, as the open time tends to dry up quickly after the schedule comes out.

High density short trips with lots of days off are good goals, then pick up open time. Open time cdo's (one day overnight red eye trips), which are awesome if you live in base.

There are lots of guys crediting over 100 hours per month every month. I'm not one of them. (days off=gold).

And then there are the guys who make 10k per year with referral bonuses. Guess they're basically just freelance recruiters in their downtime haha.

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Old 08-15-2017, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SirLurksalot
A thought for those more knowledgeable than I am, given the difference in how egregiously the bonus we currently have in place is taxed vs actual hourly pay, would the proposed 83 hr credit rate to break even really be that big of a difference for someone who credits 75 consistently now with the bonus scheme in place?
The bonuses are taxed at the same rate as any other pay. The only difference is the withholding is higher. They take more out of your paycheck but you get it back when you file your taxes if you paid too much. At the end of the year you end up with the same amount of money.
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Old 08-15-2017, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by HeyOneTaco
When we let the bonus expire and go 6 months without it, we would've came out ahead with accepting the 83 hour proposal. I don't like anyone getting a pay cut on their W-2, but I'm ok with it if sick time, 401k and vacation see an improvement.
Let the bonus expire, watch the operation fall apart and a mass exodus happen.
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Old 08-15-2017, 06:47 PM
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I'm losing money every month we drag this out. I think I've been south of 83 hours once this year (recurrent). 99 hours in a month with differences, 120 in a buildup month. I like days off too, just have to be clever.

No bonus. Hourly. I've told my reps.
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Old 08-15-2017, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Five93H
I'm losing money every month we drag this out. I think I've been south of 83 hours once this year (recurrent). 99 hours in a month with differences, 120 in a buildup month. I like days off too, just have to be clever.

No bonus. Hourly. I've told my reps.
Don,t settle for 83 hrs. Be patient. A pay raise for everyone on property
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Old 08-15-2017, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
Let the bonus expire, watch the operation fall apart and a mass exodus happen.
100% agree! But it will never get that far.
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Old 08-15-2017, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
100% agree! But it will never get that far.
I believe the company will simply extend the bonus, and just drag its feet if no agreement is inked. It's the loss of the extra items with the bonus counted as salary that we are losing.
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Old 08-16-2017, 02:50 AM
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The bonus withholding is neither outstandingly good nor remarkably bad. It is 25%, the rate set by the IRS. If your current tax rate is lower, you get the difference back at the end of the year. If it is higher than 25%, you will end up paying more. It's that simple.

Either way, the $83 per hour proposal is a pay cut using the 75 hour model we base our months on. But if you consider how much you'll make in open time, as well as 401K company contributions, it isn't all that terrible, actually.

Originally Posted by SirLurksalot
A thought for those more knowledgeable than I am, given the difference in how egregiously the bonus we currently have in place is taxed vs actual hourly pay, would the proposed 83 hr credit rate to break even really be that big of a difference for someone who credits 75 consistently now with the bonus scheme in place?
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Old 08-16-2017, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I believe the company will simply extend the bonus, and just drag its feet if no agreement is inked. It's the loss of the extra items with the bonus counted as salary that we are losing.
...and then all those people earning 150-200% will get that time at the lower rate because they were squabbling over $2 an hour.
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Old 08-16-2017, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
Don,t settle for 83 hrs. Be patient. A pay raise for everyone on property
Patient? As if we were in control.....three years from now we will be giving way to the C-series in NYC and Delta will be downsizing Endeavor....Delta isn't going to bargain with us....its take it or leave it...the bonus is their best option and I don't think you will see a pay integration......this way they can pull the plug on the bonus like a kill switch and watch endeavor self destruct....history repeats itself and the industry is changing....the 900
Base in ATL with a few more 900's coming on property is good an all but it's just smoke and mirrors....prospective pilots think they see growth......there are better options out there with career progression. I hope I'm wrong about this but it's what I've been hearing through the grapevine.
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