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Old 08-05-2017, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by wiggy15
Because the average line isn't 95 it's 83. I'm for 75 hours as base, but let's not pretend 83 is arbitrary. It's a fair proposal, one that I hope the union negotiates down to under 80 at least.
The average is 87, the 83 is 1000 hours flown in a year, that's arbitrary. The union likes 1000 hours, and that's fine, but the union is not trying to move guarantee up to 83, which is a problem.
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
I'm full of egotism? You think you stepped on my tail. You don't have any power over me to think you can do that, hence you're not that important.

I can tell you're itching for a fight. Instead, why don't you answer my question? Do you think Delta pilots should, through our participation in a union when others are largely not, be responsible for the economic outcomes of our coworkers?
I'm not itching for a fight. You're the one who came at me first in response to an off the wall comment I made. I could tell that it illicited some emotion. I've been told numerous times from Delta pilots that any gains at Endeavor adversely affects their profit sharing. I was wrong to make such a blanket statement. But quite frankly, it's disturbing to hear and witness these kind of attitudes from some of the Delta ranks. I'm not sure what part of that stuck a nerve with you, or even why you post on a regional forum? Not that it matters, it's a public forum. You just seem somewhat defensive. And the Delta arrogance showed in both your responses to me.
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
You do realize that the company made sure this was a bonus so they could get out of it in a short time?

It's not your pay. It's a bonus to keep you here for a short period.

Let's turn it into something that is pay and means something and makes them work much much harder to take away.

It's sucks some for the 15% but it's going to suck a lot worse for everyone when $23000 worth of "bonus" money disappears.

Aren't you at Delta? Why you worried dude. ? Vote NO this is Stupid my 75 hours of credit and 18 days off. God pilots are dumb
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
I'm full of egotism? You think you stepped on my tail. You don't have any power over me to think you can do that, hence you're not that important.

I can tell you're itching for a fight. Instead, why don't you answer my question? Do you think Delta pilots should, through our participation in a union when others are largely not, be responsible for the economic outcomes of our coworkers?
Everyone except the marketing VP is worthless at an airline though.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
I'm not itching for a fight. You're the one who came at me first in response to an off the wall comment I made. I could tell that it illicited some emotion. I've been told numerous times from Delta pilots that any gains at Endeavor adversely affects their profit sharing. I was wrong to make such a blanket statement. But quite frankly, it's disturbing to hear and witness these kind of attitudes from some of the Delta ranks. I'm not sure what part of that stuck a nerve with you, or even why you post on a regional forum? Not that it matters, it's a public forum. You just seem somewhat defensive. And the Delta arrogance showed in both your responses to me.
We are here as a way to subsidize Delta pay rates... If we were paid the rates in the Delta contract, Delta pilots would have to take a cut to balance out (good luck with that) They pay us half to then give that money to their own rates. So in a sense they are correct that they are paying for our raises.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FreightWasScary
Aren't you at Delta? Why you worried dude. ? Vote NO this is Stupid my 75 hours of credit and 18 days off. God pilots are dumb
Can't tell if serious.

Not at Delta.

Looks like I'm riding this horse to the end.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The average is 87, the 83 is 1000 hours flown in a year, that's arbitrary. The union likes 1000 hours, and that's fine, but the union is not trying to move guarantee up to 83, which is a problem.
Realistically, the 83 hour conversion vs 75 hour conversion is $2.55 an hour. Over 75 hour month, that's a difference of $191.

At the new rates based off 83 hours conversion, that would be 4 hours/month of pay for a first year FO, 2 hours at 12 year captain rate. If the Guarantee was raised 4 hours a month that would cover the shortfall in pay for those stuck on reserve.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:37 PM
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*****SARCASM ALERT********

Are you boys and girls really trying to get into a tit / dick measuring contest? EDV is a WO by DL. We all have skin in the game.

BTW DL is based in 65 hours a month according to the pay notes section Delta Air Lines | AirlinePilotCentral.com

Isn't it smarter to work this together than opposed?

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Old 08-05-2017, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ironmanndfw
Isn't it smarter to work this together than opposed?
Absolutely. That's what I be been saying. We shouldn't be leaving anyone behind or accepting anyone taking a pay cut. There is no downside to demanding at least a breakeven at min guarantee. I don't get why any pilot at this company would be opposed to that.
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
Absolutely. That's what I be been saying. We shouldn't be leaving anyone behind or accepting anyone taking a pay cut. There is no downside to demanding at least a breakeven at min guarantee. I don't get why any pilot at this company would be opposed to that.
Correct. Everyone should be advocating for everyone. We need gains now while we can get them. How about we solve this an increase min guarantee to 80 hours. Problems solved

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