Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
08-05-2017, 02:40 PM
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It's a bonus, not pay. It's guaranteed for 4 years from when it started.
(Look at your own Websters definition.)
Then it's gone.
Go get a mortgage on a house and try to count it as pay, mortgage companies get it and that's why it won't be counted.
It needs to be turned into an hourly wage increase, then it will be considered pay.
And the 83 hours is fair, it will give more money than the retention bonus to 85% of our pilots.
(Look at your own Websters definition.)
Then it's gone.
Go get a mortgage on a house and try to count it as pay, mortgage companies get it and that's why it won't be counted.
It needs to be turned into an hourly wage increase, then it will be considered pay.
And the 83 hours is fair, it will give more money than the retention bonus to 85% of our pilots.
08-05-2017, 02:44 PM
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Too bad the Union can't negotiate a deal where each pilot currently on the seniority list gets the option to choose between either 1) Salary of $23,000 per year paid out monthly on top of the current wage scale as long as they work at Endeavor, allowing for future negotiated wage increases of course, or 2) an immediate Wage increase based on the 83-hour system.
Those wishing to minimize work don't loose any pay, and those wishing to maximize work get the overall bump. And the Company doesn't have to fund the 75-hour based Wage increase across the board.
Those wishing to minimize work don't loose any pay, and those wishing to maximize work get the overall bump. And the Company doesn't have to fund the 75-hour based Wage increase across the board.
08-05-2017, 03:13 PM
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If my last sentence proved your point, are you saying Delta pilots should be responsible for other employee groups' income and benefits?
08-05-2017, 03:19 PM
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08-05-2017, 03:51 PM
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It's a bonus, not pay. It's guaranteed for 4 years from when it started.
(Look at your own Websters definition.)
Then it's gone.
Go get a mortgage on a house and try to count it as pay, mortgage companies get it and that's why it won't be counted.
It needs to be turned into an hourly wage increase, then it will be considered pay.
And the 83 hours is fair, it will give more money than the retention bonus to 85% of our pilots.
(Look at your own Websters definition.)
Then it's gone.
Go get a mortgage on a house and try to count it as pay, mortgage companies get it and that's why it won't be counted.
It needs to be turned into an hourly wage increase, then it will be considered pay.
And the 83 hours is fair, it will give more money than the retention bonus to 85% of our pilots.
08-05-2017, 04:02 PM
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Because the average line isn't 95 it's 83. I'm for 75 hours as base, but let's not pretend 83 is arbitrary. It's a fair proposal, one that I hope the union negotiates down to under 80 at least.
08-05-2017, 04:13 PM
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08-05-2017, 04:20 PM
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You do realize that the company made sure this was a bonus so they could get out of it in a short time?
It's not your pay. It's a bonus to keep you here for a short period.
Let's turn it into something that is pay and means something and makes them work much much harder to take away.
It's sucks some for the 15% but it's going to suck a lot worse for everyone when $23000 worth of "bonus" money disappears.
It's not your pay. It's a bonus to keep you here for a short period.
Let's turn it into something that is pay and means something and makes them work much much harder to take away.
It's sucks some for the 15% but it's going to suck a lot worse for everyone when $23000 worth of "bonus" money disappears.
08-05-2017, 04:29 PM
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Wow, and full of egotism too. Why don't you please tell me as to why I'm not "that important "?
08-05-2017, 04:35 PM
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I can tell you're itching for a fight. Instead, why don't you answer my question? Do you think Delta pilots should, through our participation in a union when others are largely not, be responsible for the economic outcomes of our coworkers?
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