Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
07-27-2017, 09:39 PM
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Forget the flow and negotiations talk, I just want to know what the 54-year-old pilot and the 26-year-old stewardess had raised arms about. I mean seriously, what racist epithets and fighting positions were taken here? Anybody got any intel? No Fake News either.
07-27-2017, 09:42 PM
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Mark this comment. The DGI pilots will have a high success rate. I'm guessing it will be beyond 80% pass rate. Unmarked. That will be so close to an out-of-seniority flow, and the SSP failure pilots will end up congratulating mainline for pulling that fast one right past them.
07-28-2017, 12:22 AM
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Does anybody know how the process works after you meet the min requirements for the DGI program? What I mean is is it like Horizon's guaranteed interview program with Alaska where you can exercise the right of when you want to complete the interview or do you have to wait for your seniority number to be called? Also, how long does it typically take from new hire to DGI? Is it about five to six years?
Thank you in advance to anybody who answers my questions.
Thank you in advance to anybody who answers my questions.
07-28-2017, 03:55 AM
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And you probably think I wear the hat too. I'm not telling you or anyone how to live their life. Company man I am not, and am certainly not of the opinion anyone should take a paycut. But lets not act like reserve time around here is 10-15 years like XJT. If you want to get off reserve and work more, you can...Get a hobby? Have several. Get a significant other? I'm engaged, thank you. I've also got a plan. And it doesn't involve waiting around for a "flow" as my golden ticket.
07-28-2017, 04:22 AM
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Does anybody know how the process works after you meet the min requirements for the DGI program? What I mean is is it like Horizon's guaranteed interview program with Alaska where you can exercise the right of when you want to complete the interview or do you have to wait for your seniority number to be called? Also, how long does it typically take from new hire to DGI? Is it about five to six years?
Thank you in advance to anybody who answers my questions.
Thank you in advance to anybody who answers my questions.
07-28-2017, 04:46 AM
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Let's be for real, he probably just mentioned Trump once and some New York new hire fa got triggered by it. That or she was being a typical New York fa and just stood on her phone the whole time while he tried to brief the crew and he took offense to it and she got mad for calling her out and used the racist card.
07-28-2017, 05:46 AM
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1. There wont ever be a flow as far as I can tell.
2. The Pilot shortage is not as bad as its made out to be.
3. The will cherry pick their desired DGI candidates and the rest of the requirements will be met from the street(military and other shrinking regionals like ASA/Expressjet).
4. The ones who dont make it thru in DGI have the option of staying here or going someplace else after waiting 2 years for an interview opportunity.
5. By the time everyone figures this out an Ab Initio program may suddenly be ready to keep the new hire rate at present levels.
6. If flow or stapling was an option, it would have already happened.
2. The Pilot shortage is not as bad as its made out to be.
3. The will cherry pick their desired DGI candidates and the rest of the requirements will be met from the street(military and other shrinking regionals like ASA/Expressjet).
4. The ones who dont make it thru in DGI have the option of staying here or going someplace else after waiting 2 years for an interview opportunity.
5. By the time everyone figures this out an Ab Initio program may suddenly be ready to keep the new hire rate at present levels.
6. If flow or stapling was an option, it would have already happened.
07-28-2017, 06:32 AM
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You've clearly been standing under a running APU exhaust for too long. Never say never. Run the numbers of how many pilots the majors will be losing. It may not be a so called "flow", but something will most certainly change. This DGI program will not last. People don't have the loyalty to companies they used to have. Especially now that it's 100% a pilots market. Folks won't be waiting around from New Hire to DGI interview date which could be as long as 5+ years to just get a shot at Delta. People will bounce long before that to a LCC if they get the chance or to another major, or heck maybe even fly over seas!. I'm not sure what will change or how. However, I am certain something will give when we start to have trouble finding new hires.
07-28-2017, 08:29 AM
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Looking at this as "reserve time" is false advertising. Every airline has senior bases. First the most Jr. line holder for August in DTW is an October 2007 hire, so 10 years not 17. Second the most Jr. Captain line holder in the company is a July 15 hire... That's two years.
If you choose to remain on the 900 in the most senior bases then you may sit on reserve for years. This is a choice.
I live in the Detroit area, I have a family, I want time off, I'd prefer not to commute. I do commute to a captain line. I have been here less than 4 years, I have been holding a captain line nearly a year. In the winter I regularly get 15 or 16 days off, in the summer I get 12-14. I get commutability on all but 2 ends of trips most months, and if I need to commute in I leave late, or get home by a little after 7am. The motels because I book in advance run 2-3 hundred a month. My monthly credit runs 85-95 a month so I can afford those motels vs. sitting reverse and getting min credit. In the past year I have never missed a trip because of commuting and only been given positive space once, in this case the board did not count it as a call in honest because I had done my due diligence to get to work on time and they put me on my first flight choice. (second flight had canceled.)
So all these excuses "impossible to commute from DTW," "Not enough time off," "hotels and crash pads are unaffordable." Are all excuses, commuting to a line in a year I get more hard time off, more income, more time with my family, and get to work every time.
At any airline you can choose to sit reserve for years on the Sr. aircraft in a Sr. base. It is your choice, but it is a choice, if you choose this you can't complain about it and say that reserve is 17 years, that is false advertising. Right now reserve for a captain is 2 years 1 month at EDV. I'm not saying that choosing a reserve line in a Sr. domicile is a poor choice, but you have to weight your options and if sitting reserve is so bad, make a new one.
The point I want to make is anyone considering EDV should know at the moment you can be PIC quickly and get control of your schedule very quickly here. Once you do quality of life is good for a regional, from what I can tell better than most.
If you choose to remain on the 900 in the most senior bases then you may sit on reserve for years. This is a choice.
I live in the Detroit area, I have a family, I want time off, I'd prefer not to commute. I do commute to a captain line. I have been here less than 4 years, I have been holding a captain line nearly a year. In the winter I regularly get 15 or 16 days off, in the summer I get 12-14. I get commutability on all but 2 ends of trips most months, and if I need to commute in I leave late, or get home by a little after 7am. The motels because I book in advance run 2-3 hundred a month. My monthly credit runs 85-95 a month so I can afford those motels vs. sitting reverse and getting min credit. In the past year I have never missed a trip because of commuting and only been given positive space once, in this case the board did not count it as a call in honest because I had done my due diligence to get to work on time and they put me on my first flight choice. (second flight had canceled.)
So all these excuses "impossible to commute from DTW," "Not enough time off," "hotels and crash pads are unaffordable." Are all excuses, commuting to a line in a year I get more hard time off, more income, more time with my family, and get to work every time.
At any airline you can choose to sit reserve for years on the Sr. aircraft in a Sr. base. It is your choice, but it is a choice, if you choose this you can't complain about it and say that reserve is 17 years, that is false advertising. Right now reserve for a captain is 2 years 1 month at EDV. I'm not saying that choosing a reserve line in a Sr. domicile is a poor choice, but you have to weight your options and if sitting reserve is so bad, make a new one.
The point I want to make is anyone considering EDV should know at the moment you can be PIC quickly and get control of your schedule very quickly here. Once you do quality of life is good for a regional, from what I can tell better than most.
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07-28-2017, 08:51 AM
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Looking at this as "reserve time" is false advertising. Every airline has senior bases. First the most Jr. line holder for August in DTW is an October 2007 hire, so 10 years not 17. Second the most Jr. Captain line holder in the company is a July 15 hire... That's two years.
If you choose to remain on the 900 in the most senior bases then you may sit on reserve for years. This is a choice.
I live in the Detroit area, I have a family, I want time off, I'd prefer not to commute. I do commute to a captain line. I have been here less than 4 years, I have been holding a captain line nearly a year. In the winter I regularly get 15 or 16 days off, in the summer I get 12-14. I get commutability on all but 2 ends of trips most months, and if I need to commute in I leave late, or get home by a little after 7am. The motels because I book in advance run 2-3 hundred a month. My monthly credit runs 85-95 a month so I can afford those motels vs. sitting reverse and getting min credit. In the past year I have never missed a trip because of commuting and only been given positive space once, in this case the board did not count it as a call in honest because I had done my due diligence to get to work on time and they put me on my first flight choice. (second flight had canceled.)
So all these excuses "impossible to commute from DTW," "Not enough time off," "hotels and crash pads are unaffordable." Are all excuses, commuting to a line in a year I get more hard time off, more income, more time with my family, and get to work every time.
At any airline you can choose to sit reserve for years on the Sr. aircraft in a Sr. base. It is your choice, but it is a choice, if you choose this you can't complain about it and say that reserve is 17 years, that is false advertising. Right now reserve for a captain is 2 years 1 month at EDV. I'm not saying that choosing a reserve line in a Sr. domicile is a poor choice, but you have to weight your options and if sitting reserve is so bad, make a new one.
The point I want to make is anyone considering EDV should know at the moment you can be PIC quickly and get control of your schedule very quickly here. Once you do quality of life is good for a regional, from what I can tell better than most.
If you choose to remain on the 900 in the most senior bases then you may sit on reserve for years. This is a choice.
I live in the Detroit area, I have a family, I want time off, I'd prefer not to commute. I do commute to a captain line. I have been here less than 4 years, I have been holding a captain line nearly a year. In the winter I regularly get 15 or 16 days off, in the summer I get 12-14. I get commutability on all but 2 ends of trips most months, and if I need to commute in I leave late, or get home by a little after 7am. The motels because I book in advance run 2-3 hundred a month. My monthly credit runs 85-95 a month so I can afford those motels vs. sitting reverse and getting min credit. In the past year I have never missed a trip because of commuting and only been given positive space once, in this case the board did not count it as a call in honest because I had done my due diligence to get to work on time and they put me on my first flight choice. (second flight had canceled.)
So all these excuses "impossible to commute from DTW," "Not enough time off," "hotels and crash pads are unaffordable." Are all excuses, commuting to a line in a year I get more hard time off, more income, more time with my family, and get to work every time.
At any airline you can choose to sit reserve for years on the Sr. aircraft in a Sr. base. It is your choice, but it is a choice, if you choose this you can't complain about it and say that reserve is 17 years, that is false advertising. Right now reserve for a captain is 2 years 1 month at EDV. I'm not saying that choosing a reserve line in a Sr. domicile is a poor choice, but you have to weight your options and if sitting reserve is so bad, make a new one.
The point I want to make is anyone considering EDV should know at the moment you can be PIC quickly and get control of your schedule very quickly here. Once you do quality of life is good for a regional, from what I can tell better than most.
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