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Old 07-27-2017, 04:14 PM
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Kind of a joke that the people complaining about flow are the same people whining about taking a pay cut if they credit less than 75hrs. Work the least amount possible and expect a job at a major to be handed to you. Real go getter attitudes, fellas.
Some people actually have a life and family outside of work. If trips were more efficient, we could strike a better balance. Nobody should have to be away from home more than half the month.

It's company shills like you that make it hard with your **** poor attitude of work, work, work. Get outside, get a significant other, get a hobby. Who knows, you might actually like it.
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Old 07-27-2017, 04:24 PM
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Kind of a joke that the people complaining about flow are the same people whining about taking a pay cut if they credit less than 75hrs. Work the least amount possible and expect a job at a major to be handed to you. Real go getter attitudes, fellas.
Another point: what kind of idiot do you have to be to think ANY pilot should be getting their pay cut in this job market?
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Old 07-27-2017, 04:49 PM
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[QUOTE=Green Needles;2400445]Another point: what kind of idiot do you have to be to think ANY pilot should be getting their pay cut in this job market?[/QUOTE

👏🏻 Exactly! It's like this BS about about XJT....Those pilots have families.....our growth shouldn't come from another's downsizing. UNION we are not!
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Old 07-27-2017, 05:04 PM
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Another point: what kind of idiot do you have to be to think ANY pilot should be getting their pay cut in this job market?[/QUOTE

👏🏻 Exactly! It's like this BS about about XJT....Those pilots have families.....our growth shouldn't come from another's downsizing. UNION we are not!
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Old 07-27-2017, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Space Ranger
Kind of a joke that the people complaining about flow are the same people whining about taking a pay cut if they credit less than 75hrs. Work the least amount possible and expect a job at a major to be handed to you. Real go getter attitudes, fellas.
Guarantee means just that. They will pay us that much. If I fly high speeds, I will get that much. If I go unused on reserve, I will be paid that much. If I fly my line as awarded with out over blocking anything, that's my pay. Until now. If these negotiations go the way they seem to be going, I won't.

I'm not dodging work. I work everyday I'm scheduled to, and yet here I am facing a pay cut. You want to be a "go-getter" fine, but don't lobby for us so-called "slackers" to lose pay. That's misplaced ignorance and selfishness. Majors want well rounded individuals, hence the volunteerism and outside activities that make a difference in getting an interview. Must be how so many "lazy" 75 hour pilots got CJOs.
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Old 07-27-2017, 06:40 PM
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Shut up buzz, woody never liked you.
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Old 07-27-2017, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
Some people actually have a life and family outside of work. If trips were more efficient, we could strike a better balance. Nobody should have to be away from home more than half the month.

It's company shills like you that make it hard with your **** poor attitude of work, work, work. Get outside, get a significant other, get a hobby. Who knows, you might actually like it.
And you probably think I wear the hat too. I'm not telling you or anyone how to live their life. Company man I am not, and am certainly not of the opinion anyone should take a paycut. But lets not act like reserve time around here is 10-15 years like XJT. If you want to get off reserve and work more, you can...Get a hobby? Have several. Get a significant other? I'm engaged, thank you. I've also got a plan. And it doesn't involve waiting around for a "flow" as my golden ticket.
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Old 07-27-2017, 07:16 PM
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[QUOTE=Yumyum;2400456]
Originally Posted by Green Needles
Another point: what kind of idiot do you have to be to think ANY pilot should be getting their pay cut in this job market?[/QUOTE

👏🏻 Exactly! It's like this BS about about XJT....Those pilots have families.....our growth shouldn't come from another's downsizing. UNION we are not!
So you'd rather that flying go somewhere else? Don't hate the player, hate the game. If XJT birds come to us and those guys want to join us, I'll welcome them with open arms. Blame the non-unionized shop that owns them for letting it get to this point. Like many of us who saw the light at our previous carriers, the grass is much more lush in this yard.
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:25 PM
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So you'd rather that flying go somewhere else? Don't hate the player, hate the game. If XJT birds come to us and those guys want to join us, I'll welcome them with open arms. Blame the non-unionized shop that owns them for letting it get to this point. Like many of us who saw the light at our previous carriers, the grass is much more lush in this yard.
Right, and let's not forget that OO/EV received 28 of our jets. 16 900s and 12 200s.
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:27 PM
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Default There will never be a flow.

1. There wont ever be a flow as far as I can tell.
2. The Pilot shortage is not as bad as its made out to be.
3. The will cherry pick their desired DGI candidates and the rest of the requirements will be met from the street(military and other shrinking regionals like ASA/Expressjet).
4. The ones who dont make it thru in DGI have the option of staying here or going someplace else after waiting 2 years for an interview opportunity.
5. By the time everyone figures this out an Ab Initio program may suddenly be ready to keep the new hire rate at present levels.
6. If flow or stapling was an option, it would have already happened.
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