WhiskeyDelta

They don't pay more when comparing W2s and all their rates aren't the highest out there despite a free raise. Bases are subjective at best and each person will have their own opinion on that. Bigger airplanes aren't for everyone. For God's sake, leave the hat out of the equation. That means nothing in the long run. I don't care if that's TIC. Too many people seem to actually include that in their calculus.

Urbandrone

This should just read "See you in the unemployment line" Stupid idea.

Space Ranger

^^^this. Delta doesn't need us for anything. For all of the "Daddy D just shifts planes around between regional's, they don't give af about anybody" talk on this forum to then thinking we are in any position to 'make a stand' by wearing these goofy lanyards seems contradictory.

I'm not saying rollover and take it up the a@! but its certainly not a "do or die" negotiation. We've got one of the best contracts in the regional game right now. Attempting to draw some sort of line in the sand by wearing these clown lanyards is foolish at best.

SmitteyB

There is no mercy, no favorites, no consideratio, and NO feelings of respect or admiration from Delta ATL to Endeavor.

They couldn't care less about our wants or needs. To them, WE ARE A COST WHICH MUST BE CONTROLLED. BAR NONE.

So to think that Delta will warm up to a flow because we perform well or we wear green lanyards demanding a flow is just insane. Delta wants Endeavor to stay in their lane and act like a contractor because that's all we are to them. They don't care about us and they never will. Sadly this is the reality guys.

Now does that mean they are a bad company? No absolutely not. They look out for their own and we are anything but that. Regardless of the kumbyah in MSP.

What you should all be worried about is the future of this airline which has NO flying contracted thru 2020. Go chew on that one and stop worrying about a flow.

seminolepilot

Exactly, if you're not applying religiously, and attending a job fair every year to help your app then you really can't complain. You don't have to attend every job fair, and hell southwest, Delta, and FedEx had in house job fairs this year, so you don't even have to pay to attend one of the usual job fairs. Good luck with the lanyard and getting a flow. If you wear it you'll probably be laughed out of the airport by the mainline guys before you can get to the airplane where the captain will ask you to take it off. The numbers from the SSP should tell you how Delta feels about a flow. Like someone else said, we need to be working on something more attainable like rolling the bonus into pay rates and ensuring no one takes a pay cut. 2018 is right around the corner.

crjscum

That's funny that some think it's up to the union or 9e mgt weather we get a flow or not. And if you do understand that it's only daddy D that has a say, go wear that lanyard proud in ATL next time you're there. Maybe you can change their mind.

msprj2

Lets not go overboard. DAL mgt does like 9e and RG.
They do want us to succeed however they control a flow and
everything else
not us.
So what if our contract has an expiration date? Don't all?

Hotlop

All feedback is appreciated however it's to be noted that the lanyards are not a piece to "force Delta's hand" or bully them into a flow. The point we're making is to get a conversation started and to tell our union and management that we want flow on the negotiating table.

Endeavor isn't a bad place, however now is the time to start making a change. A five year contract extension is a long time period when retirements are becoming in full swing and the airline model is changing. You can choose to stay at Endeavor, however many of us want to be at a major for our own reasons including long term compensation. It's clear our reps need to hear from us and if you disagree with flow, tell them. The lanyards are just another channel of communication. To a few of your points earlier, we indeed have four year degrees, unblemished records and attend the career fairs. We also want to make this place better and want to help this place ensure the best candidates are hired. Our current contract + flow is a way to ensure that. This is about getting the conversation started, whether you agree or not, at least we are doing something about it.

brettj72

I don't know about other bases but in MSP the cdos go super senior. I have a hard time believing they would be unable to cover them.

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Mesabah

The CDOs in NYC are the problem. In a base which is all commuters, even if you live in the city because of driving times, CDOs aren't ideal.