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06-10-2017, 01:17 PM
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This is not based in anything other than opinion. What is the duration of this contract with hourly rates? If you are willing to take hourly rates for 5 years duration, we just lost tens of thousands of dollars. The math based on converting $23000 to 83 hours, equates to a raise of $2.09hr on 75 hours. That's a hell no. The C-series at Delta is going to pay 5 times what the CRJ 900 pays with only 24 additional seats.
I would rather wait until section 6 to negotiate, this is becoming a disaster quickly.
I would rather wait until section 6 to negotiate, this is becoming a disaster quickly.
My point was don't take the salary option because then most people will not realize the hourly bump if they work more.
You can debate 75 vs 83 all day long, but this $23000 everyone is counting on is temporary.
Section 6 negotiations will come and the bonus will be gone until a deal gets worked out. And you know the company will be in such a hurry to negotiate at that point.
The time is now to get this as an hourly wage increase. We will shoot ourselves in the foot if we push to section 6.
I bid for min hours and get awarded 75 every month and without picking up a single day I always have at least 83 hours, so I know most people will have more money than a $23000 "salary".
And everything over 83 will be more than $23000. Don't get me started on how much more you'll make at time and a half.
06-10-2017, 01:47 PM
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You will make more money if they do it at 75 hours no doubt.
My point was don't take the salary option because then most people will not realize the hourly bump if they work more.
You can debate 75 vs 83 all day long, but this $23000 everyone is counting on is temporary.
Section 6 negotiations will come and the bonus will be gone until a deal gets worked out. And you know the company will be in such a hurry to negotiate at that point.
The time is now to get this as an hourly wage increase. We will shoot ourselves in the foot if we push to section 6.
I bid for min hours and get awarded 75 every month and without picking up a single day I always have at least 83 hours, so I know most people will have more money than a $23000 "salary".
And everything over 83 will be more than $23000. Don't get me started on how much more you'll make at time and a half.
My point was don't take the salary option because then most people will not realize the hourly bump if they work more.
You can debate 75 vs 83 all day long, but this $23000 everyone is counting on is temporary.
Section 6 negotiations will come and the bonus will be gone until a deal gets worked out. And you know the company will be in such a hurry to negotiate at that point.
The time is now to get this as an hourly wage increase. We will shoot ourselves in the foot if we push to section 6.
I bid for min hours and get awarded 75 every month and without picking up a single day I always have at least 83 hours, so I know most people will have more money than a $23000 "salary".
And everything over 83 will be more than $23000. Don't get me started on how much more you'll make at time and a half.
06-10-2017, 02:57 PM
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Yes, your logic is flawed because basing it off 83, means your first 100 hours over guarantee is paid at the old bankruptcy rates. You don't start making more until after that, and then if you drop a trip, or call in sick, you are immediately put behind, requiring double time to make it up. Then for every 100 hrs over 1000, you make an additional $2300.
If you want to commit to a long duration contract that is equivalent to $2.09hr raise, when Delta just signed a contract for a 20%+ raise....
If you want to commit to a long duration contract that is equivalent to $2.09hr raise, when Delta just signed a contract for a 20%+ raise....
06-10-2017, 03:30 PM
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If what you say is true, the company will simply drag its feet until section 6 anyway. I don't see a deal getting done for hourly without massive duration. The reason is costing, bonus money is paid out of Delta's free cash pile, where hourly, due to accounting standards has to be accounted for in the bottom line. You are giving up a lot of future gains for not much.
Future gains in this business?
You've been around long enough to know that song and dance.
06-10-2017, 05:06 PM
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06-10-2017, 06:05 PM
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The union should just get it done. 75 X 12 is 900 hours ÷ that by 23,000 that's a 25.5 added into every pay rate we have. The company doesn't want to pay a dime more then they are so we should settle for 21 or 22 dollars an hour. We are losing on huge numbers on people's 401K and vaction time. You may not be seeing the same money check to check but overall it will be seen. Its time for people to wake up and see what real life it.
06-10-2017, 08:00 PM
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06-10-2017, 08:11 PM
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This whole thing is BS. If the company wants to base the pay on 83 hours, fine then 83 hours needs to become guarantee ( and either way 12 days minimum off ) Otherwise if the company wants a long extension, then they can pay up in the process. $25/hr and 75 hours (still want 12 days off minimum)
06-10-2017, 08:54 PM
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This whole thing is BS. If the company wants to base the pay on 83 hours, fine then 83 hours needs to become guarantee ( and either way 12 days minimum off ) Otherwise if the company wants a long extension, then they can pay up in the process. $25/hr and 75 hours (still want 12 days off minimum)
We are asking for more sick, 401, vacation, per diem Plus a pay raise?
Again not going to happen.
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