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Old 06-05-2017, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SEMIslave
After trying some different ways I think this is what works to get every minute:
Before opening the door, drop the brake and then reset it. Then open the door with the brake still set.
I think it looks at the last time the parking brake was applied before the door opening. So if you reset it you should get all your time. Not 100% sure this is how it works, but it seems to have done the trick for me.
This will work until either the rear cargo door or any forward door is open. Ultimately, from what I've plug and played, we still have 98% control of our total block time. Since no one does the the BLoCK IN per the FOM anyway (a manner in which we would lose money every time), just leaving the left engine running would preclude the aft cargo door from being opened. Just saying 😀
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
When we are paid more like Delta pilots, when we get profit sharing that is in the tens of thousands of dollars instead of $200... then perhaps we will want to start doing more things like Delta.
Flow then I'll comply and wear the hat 😀😀
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
So when a trip or part of one is pulled and you're still paid do you return some $ since you didn't earn it ?
Who is this nut job? Is he one of us? Cheese and rice.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Yup, complete violation of our contract. The contract says after the main cabin door is closed and the parking break is released
holy crap I hadn't even considered that. In that case, the FOM also violates the contract because it says that we block out when brake is dropped and all exterior doors are closed. Start taking pics of pax door closure time.

Probably overkill though since we are talking seconds most likely
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:06 AM
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Come to think of it, i think it's a brilliant way to adapt to the latest changes. Keep the left engine running for the 200, take the lube out for the 900 if the FWD or CTR doors block you in.
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
just leaving the left engine running would preclude the aft cargo door from being opened. Just saying 😀
No it won't.... they will still open the door with the engine running.
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Old 06-05-2017, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguydanny
So to change the pace, anybody know what the story is with the negotiations into rolling in the retention pay into our base salary? I haven't heard anything lately about that.
I can't imagine anyone is entertaining the idea of going with the union proposal. Look at the past few weeks with this software, and policy change, where they nickel, and dime us out of a few minutes every flight. The union proposal gives them even further incentive to continue down this path. We could have already secured the extra compensation with the company proposal, but instead we are catering to the 100 hour non flying pilots.
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Old 06-05-2017, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I can't imagine anyone is entertaining the idea of going with the union proposal. Look at the past few weeks with this software, and policy change, where they nickel, and dime us out of a few minutes every flight. The union proposal gives them even further incentive to continue down this path. We could have already secured the extra compensation with the company proposal, but instead we are catering to the 100 hour non flying pilots.
What exactly was their proposal because I haven't seen anything published?
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Old 06-05-2017, 02:43 PM
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If I remember correctly, the ACARS time stamps when each door is opened or closed and the out time is when the Brake is dropped. I say regardless of when the brake is dropped send dispatch an update as to when your money meter starts and ends. As per the contract

Also it would seem a simple software fix to calculate pay off Cabin door not out or in time.
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
This will work until either the rear cargo door or any forward door is open. Ultimately, from what I've plug and played, we still have 98% control of our total block time. Since no one does the the BLoCK IN per the FOM anyway (a manner in which we would lose money every time), just leaving the left engine running would preclude the aft cargo door from being opened. Just saying 😀
Great idea, then I'll move up a number
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