Originally Posted by Unpilot

I used to be a lurker but registered just to say Bravo this is spot on.
I have a lot of friends that moved on to big brother and can attest to the above statement.

Originally Posted by Datsun

Uh huh...ever heard of government (sub/unsub) stafford loans?

The subsidized type means -they- pay the interest while in school or on authorized deferments, of which there are many.

Yeah, up to -no- payments while enrolled in school at least half-time (that's 6 credits, only 2 classes per semester) and when you get out, if you're experiencing what they call financial hardship (you know, family responsibilities, etc.), you can qualify for payments substantially less than $100 a month, in some cases near $0 per month, which if paid on time for 20 years the government will forgive, meaning cancel, the balance of your loan.

Means you just got a nearly free education.

On top of that, they even give everyone up to 60 months (5 years) of deferment, meaning no payments at all, for general purposes. Means you can not pay for up to 5 years and not even have to explain why. All you have to do is ask for the deferment and agree that you intend to pay eventually when prompted. So, contrary to popular belief, this country actually promotes higher education. They know educated citizens have a higher probability of becoming more successful and productive citizens so they help make it happen. So much so that they allow $150k per citizen before they won't give you anymore. Even though a quality education can be had for much less, they give you the option to learn whatever you want.

If you screw off that much money and still fail to get educated, it'd be no surprise if they decided to open an investigation.

The more you know...

Cut the "money" excuse. I have a family. Regardless, it can be done with or without a family, and it doesn't have to cost $3k per semester. It can be had for less. I have many friends and acquaintances with spouses, children, and in some cases parents needing support, that do and have done it, some of which make/made substantially less than we do here.

All I'm saying is call it what it is: a will issue, not a financial one.

Originally Posted by TalkTurkey

Thank you Unpilot. Glad someone agrees with me 😀

Originally Posted by crjscum

Ok so I have a problem with the last vacancy and need some help. I have just over 950 hours of both company and 121 time, no prior qualifying time such as 135 PIC either. The company has stated to me directly and all of us in emails that they do not award captain upgrade until you have the full 1000 hours 121/135 time, they will only give you 75 hrs credit a month for the company time. But we all know that they do as I have had multiple friends that were awarded upgrade on previous vacancies with less than 1000 121 time, as low as 900. I did not get the upgrade with 953 hours this time, but have already been hearing that they awarded it to others with as little as 900 again.

I was wondering if anyone here had less than 950 qualifying time and got the upgrade on 17-01 can pm me what their hours are. Also, what the hell should I do about this? I doubt I can grieve it, it's a super secret thing they do behind the scenes. Should I talk to crew planning and just say what the hell? Or contact the union?

Originally Posted by Slaveaway

Well I have 1,000 121 and didn't get it soooo. It went senior.

Originally Posted by Slaveaway

Although there was a guy awarded JFK 900 with a 98 number. Not sure how that can be a return to work.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

Of course life is not fair, and companies can do what they want. It doesn't make it a good thing to force people into crippling debt, for no other reason, than HR is out of control.

Originally Posted by crjscum

Ok so I have a problem with the last vacancy and need some help. I have just over 950 hours of both company and 121 time, no prior qualifying time such as 135 PIC either. The company has stated to me directly and all of us in emails that they do not award captain upgrade until you have the full 1000 hours 121/135 time, they will only give you 75 hrs credit a month for the company time. But we all know that they do as I have had multiple friends that were awarded upgrade on previous vacancies with less than 1000 121 time, as low as 900. I did not get the upgrade with 953 hours this time, but have already been hearing that they awarded it to others with as little as 900 again.

I was wondering if anyone here had less than 950 qualifying time and got the upgrade on 17-01 can pm me what their hours are. Also, what the hell should I do about this? I doubt I can grieve it, it's a super secret thing they do behind the scenes. Should I talk to crew planning and just say what the hell? Or contact the union?