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03-21-2017, 07:27 PM
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Ok, this misinformation needs to stop. I'm working on a second degree locally, and no it's not a community college, paying right around $3k per semester full time including all books, fees, and supplies. For someone starting from scratch, taking it easy and taking 12 semesters to finish, and allowing for a couple screw-ups along the way, that comes out to about $36k. I'm intentionally using high-side numbers to make a point.
That's hardly unaffordable, life long debt.
That's hardly unaffordable, life long debt.
03-21-2017, 07:31 PM
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You are quite incorrect. I have applied for many jobs that require a BS degree; some required a MS. Don't have them? Your application goes into the round file. It's simple... you don't have a degree, you do not qualify for the job.
No studies read here, just real-life experience, outside the tiny little cocoon of airline pilots.
No studies read here, just real-life experience, outside the tiny little cocoon of airline pilots.
03-21-2017, 08:22 PM
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You have probably read a study that is being put out by Universities, about how a college degree is required. This is passive advertising. However, in reality it doesn't exist this way. I don't know of any profession other than airline pilot that require non-specific degrees as a hard skill. Yes, it may be such where a degree is a competitive requirement, but you will find the employer always lists that as "college preferred".
Delta has hired lucky individuals without the degree, and they seem to be successful, since none have been sent back to 9E yet.
Delta has hired lucky individuals without the degree, and they seem to be successful, since none have been sent back to 9E yet.
03-21-2017, 08:46 PM
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Unethical to require a college degree? what?
I think we should lobby Delta to allow sweatpants to be an approved part of the uniform. They don't restrict us from doing our job at all, so why are dress pants required? Those don't make me a better pilot either.
03-21-2017, 10:03 PM
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Do you go into debt for 20 years for a pair of pants? I have flown with pilots that have $150,000+ in college debt.
03-21-2017, 10:42 PM
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Most sales jobs in pharma and medical device require a degree. Not a business degree just the piece of paper. Lots of examples of this in corporate America. I couldn't hire my best friend who was a great salesman because he didn't have a degree. Do some research and you will see it just "ain't" the way you see it.
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It's fine to require a degree in a related field. However, having a degree in painting, or golf, as acceptable for an airline pilot job to check a box, is out of line.
03-22-2017, 03:53 AM
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You have probably read a study that is being put out by Universities, about how a college degree is required. This is passive advertising. However, in reality it doesn't exist this way. I don't know of any profession other than airline pilot that require non-specific degrees as a hard skill. Yes, it may be such where a degree is a competitive requirement, but you will find the employer always lists that as "college preferred".
Delta has hired lucky individuals without the degree, and they seem to be successful, since none have been sent back to 9E yet.
Delta has hired lucky individuals without the degree, and they seem to be successful, since none have been sent back to 9E yet.
03-22-2017, 05:33 AM
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Dude... you're missing the point. I understand where you're coming from. However, what you're trying to justify is discrimination against hard working folks that don't have a degree... So what you're saying is "well, all the guys that have a degree your better than those that don't so you get to flow to Delta! 
... while the rest of the non-degree losers work at the Regional for the rest of their lives". It makes zero sense man. If there is a "flow" or whatever you want to call it in the future. It needs to be fair for everyone, in order of seniority period.
No age, or degree discrimination. If you possess the ability the fly an aircraft in a safe manner that happens to say "Delta Connection" on it, and fly into the same airport as mainline. In my opinion you are more than capable of flying an aircraft that says "Delta" on it into the same airports as Delta Connection.
This of course is all talk. Nothing we do our say will change what Delta does and I respect that. It's their airline they can pick and choose. However, if we "flow" we all flow equally, that's the only fair way to do it.
... while the rest of the non-degree losers work at the Regional for the rest of their lives". It makes zero sense man. If there is a "flow" or whatever you want to call it in the future. It needs to be fair for everyone, in order of seniority period.No age, or degree discrimination. If you possess the ability the fly an aircraft in a safe manner that happens to say "Delta Connection" on it, and fly into the same airport as mainline. In my opinion you are more than capable of flying an aircraft that says "Delta" on it into the same airports as Delta Connection.
This of course is all talk. Nothing we do our say will change what Delta does and I respect that. It's their airline they can pick and choose. However, if we "flow" we all flow equally, that's the only fair way to do it.
If you are truly worried about your so called idea of discrimination then why do you not mention anything about how all regional pilots are discriminated against by mainline pilots for different pay and benefits for the same work performed?
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