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03-21-2017, 11:32 AM
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I have a quick question about 17-01, I'm on the 200 and have not completed OE yet. My top bid was LGA 900, I see that there are still 9 primary spots open and I was not awarded it. Is this because I am not off OE yet?
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03-21-2017, 11:33 AM
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Delta is open to flow based on a bunch of conditions; College degree being the sticking point. The only reason we had the SSP, and not something better, is because the MEC wanted people without the degree to get a chance. Thus the vault letter.
Even if we get a flow, there will not be much movement off the top.
Even if we get a flow, there will not be much movement off the top.
Yeah... I just don't get that. In my opinion having a degree doesn't make you a better pilot. We have plenty of pilots here who are great guys and highly intelligent who do not have degrees.
Bottom line is, whether Delta likes it or not, we have pilots here that fly Delta Passengers all day, everyday who don't have a degree, safely and efficiently. I truly hope that the MEC doesn't fall into that trap.
I am not bashing going to school and getting a degree. I actually think it's a great thing! However, a lot of people don't go to college not because they are incapable, but more so on the line of not being able to afford it, along with not wanting to get into life long debt.
Some may argue that the debt is worth getting into when you are going to be working for Delta. However, as of right now a guaranteed defined career path to Delta isn't there.
Again, before this whole forum burns to dust because of this degree thing. I am for getting a degree to better yourself, however I just don't agree that it makes you a better aviator, and it shouldn't be a determining factor whether you are able to have a position with Delta as a pilot.
03-21-2017, 11:38 AM
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You are correct. Can change bases, but not aircraft until off of OE.
03-21-2017, 11:49 AM
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I got what you said. They either be trollin or insecure with their decision to come here, because they can't suffer discussions about valid hurdles this place needs to overcome. Fairly fragile group of pilots frankly.
03-21-2017, 11:58 AM
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Yeah... I just don't get that. In my opinion having a degree doesn't make you a better pilot. We have plenty of pilots here who are great guys and highly intelligent who do not have degrees.
Bottom line is, whether Delta likes it or not, we have pilots here that fly Delta Passengers all day, everyday who don't have a degree, safely and efficiently. I truly hope that the MEC doesn't fall into that trap.
I am not bashing going to school and getting a degree. I actually think it's a great thing! However, a lot of people don't go to college not because they are incapable, but more so on the line of not being able to afford it, along with not wanting to get into life long debt.
Some may argue that the debt is worth getting into when you are going to be working for Delta. However, as of right now a guaranteed defined career path to Delta isn't there.
Again, before this whole forum burns to dust because of this degree thing. I am for getting a degree to better yourself, however I just don't agree that it makes you a better aviator, and it shouldn't be a determining factor whether you are able to have a position with Delta as a pilot.
Bottom line is, whether Delta likes it or not, we have pilots here that fly Delta Passengers all day, everyday who don't have a degree, safely and efficiently. I truly hope that the MEC doesn't fall into that trap.
I am not bashing going to school and getting a degree. I actually think it's a great thing! However, a lot of people don't go to college not because they are incapable, but more so on the line of not being able to afford it, along with not wanting to get into life long debt.
Some may argue that the debt is worth getting into when you are going to be working for Delta. However, as of right now a guaranteed defined career path to Delta isn't there.
Again, before this whole forum burns to dust because of this degree thing. I am for getting a degree to better yourself, however I just don't agree that it makes you a better aviator, and it shouldn't be a determining factor whether you are able to have a position with Delta as a pilot.
I've personally have benefited from having a four year degree by first, able to quickly acquire a job while on furlough of 2009, granted not aviation related, and secondly got on with my dream job as a mainline pilot. I do hope that everyone one of my comrades have a chance to move on for those that want to but I also hope that those who have a choice to at least better their job application would pursue to do it than wait for chance or luck to help them move on in their careers.
03-21-2017, 01:03 PM
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It's a check in the block and opens up doors. Could you theoretically get through medical school and become a doctor without first going to college? Probably. Heck, there are people who get into med school without being pre-med. They could have been english or history majors. No offense there...just not directly related to medicine.
As long as the major airlines (and medical schools) say you need a degree...so be it. Lots of professions require degrees without it necessarily being relevant. It's a discriminator and that's that. If there were way more pilots than regional pilot jobs you better believe the regionals would also require it.
As long as the major airlines (and medical schools) say you need a degree...so be it. Lots of professions require degrees without it necessarily being relevant. It's a discriminator and that's that. If there were way more pilots than regional pilot jobs you better believe the regionals would also require it.
03-21-2017, 01:17 PM
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It's a check in the block and opens up doors. Could you theoretically get through medical school and become a doctor without first going to college? Probably. Heck, there are people who get into med school without being pre-med. They could have been english or history majors. No offense there...just not directly related to medicine.
As long as the major airlines (and medical schools) say you need a degree...so be it. Lots of professions require degrees without it necessarily being relevant. It's a discriminator and that's that. If there were way more pilots than regional pilot jobs you better believe the regionals would also require it.
As long as the major airlines (and medical schools) say you need a degree...so be it. Lots of professions require degrees without it necessarily being relevant. It's a discriminator and that's that. If there were way more pilots than regional pilot jobs you better believe the regionals would also require it.
Whatever, it's their company, they can do what they want. I just think it is unethical to require someone to take on that much debt, when the necessary experience for the job is acquired outside of college.
03-21-2017, 01:39 PM
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Major airlines aren't like other fields, majors treat their positions as entry level. It's very strange. For example, my degree is only good for getting me an entry level position, from there, my experience would be what gets me to better jobs. I have never heard of any profession where your degree is weighted higher than your experience. Who has ever heard of a doctor or attorney, that practiced for years, then went to medical/law school? On the opposite end of that spectrum, are some software companies that pay you not to go to college.
Whatever, it's their company, they can do what they want. I just think it is unethical to require someone to take on that much debt, when the necessary experience for the job is acquired outside of college.
Whatever, it's their company, they can do what they want. I just think it is unethical to require someone to take on that much debt, when the necessary experience for the job is acquired outside of college.
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