Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
11-03-2015, 04:04 AM
#1171
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The problem here is most of the bad stuff being said is by folks who do t work at endeavor. They may have worked here in the past and moved on to greener pastures or left when things got rough in a lateral fashion. Most of the positive posts are both informative and true instead of negative speculation.
Regionals will always be unstable. Right now endeavor is a good place to be if needing to work through the regional ranks for the job at an LCC or Major. That's 118 pages simplified.
Regionals will always be unstable. Right now endeavor is a good place to be if needing to work through the regional ranks for the job at an LCC or Major. That's 118 pages simplified.
11-03-2015, 06:43 AM
#1172
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The problem here is most of the bad stuff being said is by folks who do t work at endeavor. They may have worked here in the past and moved on to greener pastures or left when things got rough in a lateral fashion. Most of the positive posts are both informative and true instead of negative speculation.
Regionals will always be unstable. Right now endeavor is a good place to be if needing to work through the regional ranks for the job at an LCC or Major. That's 118 pages simplified.
Regionals will always be unstable. Right now endeavor is a good place to be if needing to work through the regional ranks for the job at an LCC or Major. That's 118 pages simplified.
Agreed. The company now as Endeavor is better that it ever was.
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11-03-2015, 07:18 AM
#1173
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The problem here is most of the bad stuff being said is by folks who do t work at endeavor. They may have worked here in the past and moved on to greener pastures or left when things got rough in a lateral fashion. Most of the positive posts are both informative and true instead of negative speculation.
Regionals will always be unstable. Right now endeavor is a good place to be if needing to work through the regional ranks for the job at an LCC or Major. That's 118 pages simplified.
Regionals will always be unstable. Right now endeavor is a good place to be if needing to work through the regional ranks for the job at an LCC or Major. That's 118 pages simplified.
The atmosphere here is very positive, and yes there is some frustration, but all in all people are happy. Those that aren't happy are leaving to go to other carriers, or sitting in their crash pads complaining about it on the Internet.
11-03-2015, 10:43 AM
#1174
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This is a preposterous post. Not one single pre-merger pilot went to work for a regional that was owned by Delta. So your advice is to go work for another regional and cross your fingers that Delta doesn't buy them? God forbid Delta buys them, gives them all 20K a year raise and a guaranteed interview.
Delta is simply running a business. They are not doing anything from the goodness of their heart. They needed pilots at Endeavor and found that it was impossible with a fleet getting cut and bankruptcy rates. So they offer a movement plan in terms of interviews. EtD, SSP, whatever the names are. It was a path to show that Endeavor may be a viable option. It still was not seen as enough, and FOs were bailing out because they could go be DECs at other regionals and Endeavor needed FOs. In comes the retention payment every quarter and SSP extended to FOs. None of this was done because Delta wants Endeavor to feel well. They need pilot bodies at Endeavor and they know they have to sell Endeavor as a place to work that is "better" than the competition because otherwise pilots won't show up to newhire class - something they saw time and time again before.
Yeah, people like alaskabound and MD11 are saying similar things and are being written off as ex-9E guys who are bitter, but on the other side of the coin some of you are acting as snake oil salesmen for your company's recruitment. You realize your well being depends on newbies showing to continue the movement up. If you could really step back and go with a neutral viewpoint, there is no reason to choose Endeavor save maybe a specific base, and even that is risky in the regional industry. Bases open/close all the time and even regional 'hub fortresses' close. There are other regionals that are actually growing, offering almost a DEC if one has the requisite hours, and some have a similar-to-SSP plan to AA. Now, that's not to say that newbies at Endeavor are treated unfairly/harshly, and from all accounts of newhires here they sound happy + are being treated well and are enjoying the job. That's great news. But just keep in mind, after browsing several regional threads of all the big regionals out there, only Endeavor has threads consistently with guys trying to get pilots to come here. If the airline is really good, the pilots will come. No recruitment necessary.
11-03-2015, 12:55 PM
#1175
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Management wins every time someone thinks the 20k is a raise, because you have conveniently forgotten your contractual rates you had in the Feb '11 JCBA. Yes there was bankruptcy and a new agreement was coming one way or another, but you can't call the retention pay a "raise." Also forgetting the fact that this retention bonus is offered as a bonus specifically and not in terms of a higher hourly rate, which could then be used in pattern bargaining in the future for regional airlines. Management 1 Pilots 0.
Delta is simply running a business. They are not doing anything from the goodness of their heart. They needed pilots at Endeavor and found that it was impossible with a fleet getting cut and bankruptcy rates. So they offer a movement plan in terms of interviews. EtD, SSP, whatever the names are. It was a path to show that Endeavor may be a viable option. It still was not seen as enough, and FOs were bailing out because they could go be DECs at other regionals and Endeavor needed FOs. In comes the retention payment every quarter and SSP extended to FOs. None of this was done because Delta wants Endeavor to feel well. They need pilot bodies at Endeavor and they know they have to sell Endeavor as a place to work that is "better" than the competition because otherwise pilots won't show up to newhire class - something they saw time and time again before.
Yeah, people like alaskabound and MD11 are saying similar things and are being written off as ex-9E guys who are bitter, but on the other side of the coin some of you are acting as snake oil salesmen for your company's recruitment. You realize your well being depends on newbies showing to continue the movement up. If you could really step back and go with a neutral viewpoint, there is no reason to choose Endeavor save maybe a specific base, and even that is risky in the regional industry. Bases open/close all the time and even regional 'hub fortresses' close. There are other regionals that are actually growing, offering almost a DEC if one has the requisite hours, and some have a similar-to-SSP plan to AA. Now, that's not to say that newbies at Endeavor are treated unfairly/harshly, and from all accounts of newhires here they sound happy + are being treated well and are enjoying the job. That's great news. But just keep in mind, after browsing several regional threads of all the big regionals out there, only Endeavor has threads consistently with guys trying to get pilots to come here. If the airline is really good, the pilots will come. No recruitment necessary.
Delta is simply running a business. They are not doing anything from the goodness of their heart. They needed pilots at Endeavor and found that it was impossible with a fleet getting cut and bankruptcy rates. So they offer a movement plan in terms of interviews. EtD, SSP, whatever the names are. It was a path to show that Endeavor may be a viable option. It still was not seen as enough, and FOs were bailing out because they could go be DECs at other regionals and Endeavor needed FOs. In comes the retention payment every quarter and SSP extended to FOs. None of this was done because Delta wants Endeavor to feel well. They need pilot bodies at Endeavor and they know they have to sell Endeavor as a place to work that is "better" than the competition because otherwise pilots won't show up to newhire class - something they saw time and time again before.
Yeah, people like alaskabound and MD11 are saying similar things and are being written off as ex-9E guys who are bitter, but on the other side of the coin some of you are acting as snake oil salesmen for your company's recruitment. You realize your well being depends on newbies showing to continue the movement up. If you could really step back and go with a neutral viewpoint, there is no reason to choose Endeavor save maybe a specific base, and even that is risky in the regional industry. Bases open/close all the time and even regional 'hub fortresses' close. There are other regionals that are actually growing, offering almost a DEC if one has the requisite hours, and some have a similar-to-SSP plan to AA. Now, that's not to say that newbies at Endeavor are treated unfairly/harshly, and from all accounts of newhires here they sound happy + are being treated well and are enjoying the job. That's great news. But just keep in mind, after browsing several regional threads of all the big regionals out there, only Endeavor has threads consistently with guys trying to get pilots to come here. If the airline is really good, the pilots will come. No recruitment necessary.
11-03-2015, 02:25 PM
#1176
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Management wins every time someone thinks the 20k is a raise, because you have conveniently forgotten your contractual rates you had in the Feb '11 JCBA. Yes there was bankruptcy and a new agreement was coming one way or another, but you can't call the retention pay a "raise." Also forgetting the fact that this retention bonus is offered as a bonus specifically and not in terms of a higher hourly rate, which could then be used in pattern bargaining in the future for regional airlines. Management 1 Pilots 0.
Delta is simply running a business. They are not doing anything from the goodness of their heart. They needed pilots at Endeavor and found that it was impossible with a fleet getting cut and bankruptcy rates. So they offer a movement plan in terms of interviews. EtD, SSP, whatever the names are. It was a path to show that Endeavor may be a viable option. It still was not seen as enough, and FOs were bailing out because they could go be DECs at other regionals and Endeavor needed FOs. In comes the retention payment every quarter and SSP extended to FOs. None of this was done because Delta wants Endeavor to feel well. They need pilot bodies at Endeavor and they know they have to sell Endeavor as a place to work that is "better" than the competition because otherwise pilots won't show up to newhire class - something they saw time and time again before.
Yeah, people like alaskabound and MD11 are saying similar things and are being written off as ex-9E guys who are bitter, but on the other side of the coin some of you are acting as snake oil salesmen for your company's recruitment. You realize your well being depends on newbies showing to continue the movement up. If you could really step back and go with a neutral viewpoint, there is no reason to choose Endeavor save maybe a specific base, and even that is risky in the regional industry. Bases open/close all the time and even regional 'hub fortresses' close. There are other regionals that are actually growing, offering almost a DEC if one has the requisite hours, and some have a similar-to-SSP plan to AA. Now, that's not to say that newbies at Endeavor are treated unfairly/harshly, and from all accounts of newhires here they sound happy + are being treated well and are enjoying the job. That's great news. But just keep in mind, after browsing several regional threads of all the big regionals out there, only Endeavor has threads consistently with guys trying to get pilots to come here. If the airline is really good, the pilots will come. No recruitment necessary.
Delta is simply running a business. They are not doing anything from the goodness of their heart. They needed pilots at Endeavor and found that it was impossible with a fleet getting cut and bankruptcy rates. So they offer a movement plan in terms of interviews. EtD, SSP, whatever the names are. It was a path to show that Endeavor may be a viable option. It still was not seen as enough, and FOs were bailing out because they could go be DECs at other regionals and Endeavor needed FOs. In comes the retention payment every quarter and SSP extended to FOs. None of this was done because Delta wants Endeavor to feel well. They need pilot bodies at Endeavor and they know they have to sell Endeavor as a place to work that is "better" than the competition because otherwise pilots won't show up to newhire class - something they saw time and time again before.
Yeah, people like alaskabound and MD11 are saying similar things and are being written off as ex-9E guys who are bitter, but on the other side of the coin some of you are acting as snake oil salesmen for your company's recruitment. You realize your well being depends on newbies showing to continue the movement up. If you could really step back and go with a neutral viewpoint, there is no reason to choose Endeavor save maybe a specific base, and even that is risky in the regional industry. Bases open/close all the time and even regional 'hub fortresses' close. There are other regionals that are actually growing, offering almost a DEC if one has the requisite hours, and some have a similar-to-SSP plan to AA. Now, that's not to say that newbies at Endeavor are treated unfairly/harshly, and from all accounts of newhires here they sound happy + are being treated well and are enjoying the job. That's great news. But just keep in mind, after browsing several regional threads of all the big regionals out there, only Endeavor has threads consistently with guys trying to get pilots to come here. If the airline is really good, the pilots will come. No recruitment necessary.
11-03-2015, 05:31 PM
#1177
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Position: Out of Regional Jet flying
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My message to those considering employment here: Please take time to learn about Comair, Pinnacle, Endeavor and delta. Consider your career advancement and what each regional carrier has to offer. You can do far better than Endeavor.
Last edited by MD11; 11-03-2015 at 05:33 PM. Reason: shortened the paragraph a bit
11-03-2015, 05:40 PM
#1178
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I am not bitter, although it may sound so. I was not only at 9E, but Comair as well. I know what delta is and am conveying my views. For the Endeavor folks defending the company and delta,,, I'm sorry but I see through your bullsh!t and have a hard time keeping quiet when I see it.
My message to those considering employment here: Please take time to learn about Comair, Pinnacle, Endeavor and delta. Consider your career advancement and what each regional carrier has to offer. You can do far better than Endeavor.
My message to those considering employment here: Please take time to learn about Comair, Pinnacle, Endeavor and delta. Consider your career advancement and what each regional carrier has to offer. You can do far better than Endeavor.
11-03-2015, 08:29 PM
#1179
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I guess this was directed at me? I've done 0 recruiting for this company. Your really have no credibility on this subject. When was the last time you worked here? Maybe you have friends here but aren't they all at Delta now anyway? Furthermore working for one of the worst paid Airbus operators in the world discredits anything you say about the struggle of regional pilots verses management. I'm convinced your one and only reason for posting here is because you regret what you could of had and left behind. There is no other reason for you to post on these Endeavor threads.
Regret what I could have left behind? Well, I was an Oct '07 hire so I would have today... CRJ FO at actual 9th year pay but capped at 4th year scale. Sounds about right. And oh an interview at Delta which statistically I may pass with a 30-80% chance. Anyway don't take it from me, just look at posts from others above like MD11 because he does make a good point.
11-04-2015, 05:22 AM
#1180
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Endeavor is a growing airline with a upgrade time that will continue to drop. For those of you considering Endeavor try to ignore the bitterness you see on this message board. The reason you see a lot of this bitterness is due to the difficulty of the industry over the last 14 years. Keep in mind Endeavor is not Pinnacle and its not Mesaba or Colgan. Endeavor is a unique company owned by Delta and they want to see it succeed. Delta is arguable the most successful airline in the US currently and they are backing Endeavor.
Let's go back a few years, change the word "Endeavor" to "Comair", and see if this sounds familiar.
Comair is a growing airline with a upgrade time that will continue to drop. For those of you considering Comair try to ignore the bitterness you see on this message board. The reason you see a lot of this bitterness is due to the difficulty of the industry over the last 14 years. Keep in mind Comair is not Pinnacle and its not Mesaba or Colgan. Comair is a unique company owned by Delta and they want to see it succeed. Delta is arguable the most successful airline in the US currently and they are backing Comair.
ASA is a growing airline with a upgrade time that will continue to drop. For those of you considering ASA try to ignore the bitterness you see on this message board. The reason you see a lot of this bitterness is due to the difficulty of the industry over the last 14 years. Keep in mind ASA is not Pinnacle and its not Mesaba or Colgan. ASA is a unique company owned by Delta and they want to see it succeed. Delta is arguable the most successful airline in the US currently and they are backing ASA.
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