higney85

The attrition is already planned, what will get interesting is the seniority of upgrades. Many FO's with CJO's won't upgrade, resulting in really junior ca upgrade slots.

flyingmau5

How junior are we talking here?

MD11

Anybody considering a job with Endeavor, should seriously research delta’s behavior concerning their wholly owned regional carriers. Delta is no different now than when compared to the Comair days.

All of these happy, starry-eyed Endeavor pilots have ulterior motives when it comes to getting new hires in the door. I can tell it’s NOT because Endeavor is the place to be. They want you so they may be pushed up by your incoming carcass. In my opinion, they are no better than mainline pilots that sold out regional pilots. I guess maybe this eating our own is a pilot thing…. Too bad, I guess.

Also, if you come to Endeavor thinking you will be at delta in a few years… forget that pipe dream. Delta doesn't hold regional pilots in high regard, that's why you will never have an honest flow through. They are not going to open the gates to a bunch of loser pilots. In case you are wondering,,, that last sentence is not an opinion I hold concerning regional pilots. On the contrary, considering the multiple legs, long flight schedules and safety record, regional are some of the best pilots out there… which is another reason why delta's attitude towards us is frustrating.

Al Czervik

I agree completely. This was one of a few reasons why I did not to apply to delta.

FlyinFool

And some people need to remove their tin foil hats and accept that this industry is finally moving in a positive direction for regional pilots.

We're seeing pay increases (in various formats across the industry) and soon(ish) it'll be only those companies that can afford to pay that will be able to continue to play.

Last I checked, Delta relied on that consistent lift provided by its regional feed. And in keeping with Delta's desire to control its product Id expect to see more lift shifting to its WO (who by all reports they are very happy with) rather than less.

So, at Endeavor, we have seen an increase in pay, an increase in lift, and an increase in pilot morale all over the last year alone.
Couple that with management seemingly to finally start to understand that whosoever staffs the flying keeps it, and we had a recipe for things only getting better.

Now I understand that not everyone wants to go to Delta for a wide variety of reasons. But, endeavor does currently offer the only sure shot at an opportunity at this time. (Delta may well open the floodgates for off the street but that's just speculation) And while the numbers prove its anything but a sure thing, that's up to the prospective new hire to determine whether they want to chase that route or not.
Pretending that Endeavor is some god awful place that intends nothing but to make sure its pilots never see the cockpit of a mainline aircraft crazy

gojo

That is a pretty bleak and narrow minded assessment in my opinion. This industry is so cyclical and volital that it requires different strategies as it changes. You mentioned Comair and how Delta dealt with them. Is that all you remember about Comair? How about the growth of Comair during the boom of the RJ's?

flyingsioux

Or the strike?

Nantonaku

This is a preposterous post. Not one single pre-merger pilot went to work for a regional that was owned by Delta. So your advice is to go work for another regional and cross your fingers that Delta doesn't buy them? God forbid Delta buys them, gives them all 20K a year raise and a guaranteed interview.

vilcas

I seem to recall something about Delta furloughing and Comair would only offer Delta furloughs jobs if they resigned their Delta number. Endeavor is a growing airline with a upgrade time that will continue to drop. For those of you considering Endeavor try to ignore the bitterness you see on this message board. The reason you see a lot of this bitterness is due to the difficulty of the industry over the last 14 years. Keep in mind Endeavor is not Pinnacle and its not Mesaba or Colgan. Endeavor is a unique company owned by Delta and they want to see it succeed. Delta is arguable the most successful airline in the US currently and they are backing Endeavor.

block30

A couple things; let's not make this out to be Endeavor pilots are trying convince people to choose Endeavor over a mainline or an LCC job. If someone's interested in a regional, well here's some information. I believe some Endeavor pilots have even encouraged folks to choose other regionals primarily based on ease of commute/basing, and I agree with that if moving is not an option.

Further, I think the pilot group has been pretty honest about the situation in both good times and bad. When times were bad, nobody questioned the straight forward answers, but now that things are good, some folks just don't want to believe.

I also don't think anyone is claiming Endeavor is sunshine, rainbows, and unicorns. There are still improvements to be made, and I hope each regional continues to put positive pressure on the industry. Like when the retention bonus came out, my thought was, "how does this put pressure on other regionals to compete?" I think we all want our fellow pilots-even pilots at competing companies- to enjoy a positive trend this career so badly needed.

Hopefully the retention bonus and new atmosphere clearly shows to the industry muckity mucks that if you pay and treat your people better, they will come. And oh by the way, perform well, too.