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Old 03-02-2017, 05:52 AM
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Now there's a good point you skimmed on. What are the perks or proclivities that a pilot who is displaced to another base, get?
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Old 03-02-2017, 06:28 AM
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No no, I don't mean lose airframes as an airline. I mean lose frames from one base to another in conjunction with those bases losing market block hours. Speculation is fun as to where you think the shells will go after NYC reduced 200s after summer. In terms of keeping up, I'm certain and it's my job to know these things before you do.
Did you not read the email from RE? Where he specially says there will still be 10-12 lines of NYC 200 flying at the end of 2017? No one is getting displaced out of NYC200 this year (2017), would be my bet
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Old 03-02-2017, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
Some of those 200's from NYC are scheduled to go to ATL, a few are scheduled to go to MSP and DTW, but those are at the expense of further reducing the 900's in MSP and DTW and sending more of those to NYC. Basically it's going to further exacerbate the extreme seniority needed to hold MSP and DTW 900. It will likely be over 12 years just to hold captain (and if you aren't in the position already, there is no way to get there) and probably approaching 20 to hold a line as captain. I know there are a few guys looking at bidding back to 200 captain to get off reserve, but can't because there still aren't any openings in MSP or DTW for that either.... if they backfill on 17-01, they will likely be voluntary downgrades of 900 captains that don't like the looks of several years on reserve on the 900 and don't want to go to New York.
We could see the most junior upgrade approaching 2.5-3+ years then on
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Old 03-02-2017, 06:50 AM
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Can anyone make sense of the reason why we are going to ATL while EV comes to NYC? Like, why not just leave people put? Isn't it like trading a dollar bill for four quarters?
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Old 03-02-2017, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
Can anyone make sense of the reason why we are going to ATL while EV comes to NYC? Like, why not just leave people put? Isn't it like trading a dollar bill for four quarters?
Because Skywest pulled all of expressjets 200's and I assume Delta still needs 50 seat lift out of ATL
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:05 AM
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Can anyone make sense of the reason why we are going to ATL while EV comes to NYC? Like, why not just leave people put? Isn't it like trading a dollar bill for four quarters?
EDV needs to do well on its customers service numbers so Delta can hang those numbers over other regionals during negotiations.

EDV numbers will become successively worse as 200 flying increases, your numbers are always down the smaller and crappier a plane you fly. Saab numbers were always in the bucket because pax hate props.

If EDV continues flying with jackalope ny'ers on 200s are numbers will tank harder.

DL always had sellers regret on ASA tying 80% of their flying to ATL, because they need to shuffle flying around for legal reasons and as a negotiations chip.

Move EDV big birds to NYC and get the best aircraft we have (CRJ9 is a joke too but whatever) in the worst area for service and put the flying dumpster in ATL where southerners are nice and customers are used to the product. Our numbers get as much help as they can, but we're still going to have to step it up on service.

Meanwhile Skywest and Delta hammer skyw subsidiary XJT with the "you're not good enough look at your numbers" bullskeet.

I hate regional life, but I hate it worse when regionals purposefully get setup to fail.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Slaveaway
We could see the most junior upgrade approaching 2.5-3+ years then on
Realistically its already at about 18 months with some very few exceptions so if it pushes out to 24-30 months, I don't think that would come has a huge shock to anyone.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
Some of those 200's from NYC are scheduled to go to ATL, a few are scheduled to go to MSP and DTW, but those are at the expense of further reducing the 900's in MSP and DTW and sending more of those to NYC. Basically it's going to further exacerbate the extreme seniority needed to hold MSP and DTW 900. It will likely be over 12 years just to hold captain (and if you aren't in the position already, there is no way to get there) and probably approaching 20 to hold a line as captain. I know there are a few guys looking at bidding back to 200 captain to get off reserve, but can't because there still aren't any openings in MSP or DTW for that either.... if they backfill on 17-01, they will likely be voluntary downgrades of 900 captains that don't like the looks of several years on reserve on the 900 and don't want to go to New York.
Well lucky for you there should be 10 retirements a year, so in ten years
from now you will be able to hold MSP 200 CA.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JesuitValen
EDV needs to do well on its customers service numbers so Delta can hang those numbers over other regionals during negotiations.

EDV numbers will become successively worse as 200 flying increases, your numbers are always down the smaller and crappier a plane you fly. Saab numbers were always in the bucket because pax hate props.

If EDV continues flying with jackalope ny'ers on 200s are numbers will tank harder.

DL always had sellers regret on ASA tying 80% of their flying to ATL, because they need to shuffle flying around for legal reasons and as a negotiations chip.

Move EDV big birds to NYC and get the best aircraft we have (CRJ9 is a joke too but whatever) in the worst area for service and put the flying dumpster in ATL where southerners are nice and customers are used to the product. Our numbers get as much help as they can, but we're still going to have to step it up on service.

Meanwhile Skywest and Delta hammer skyw subsidiary XJT with the "you're not good enough look at your numbers" bullskeet.

I hate regional life, but I hate it worse when regionals purposefully get setup to fail.
Have you ever woken up on the right side of the bed?
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
Have you ever woken up on the right side of the bed?
On your moms? When i got the yes from Delta. Don't worry junior, I don't wanna be your dad.
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