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Old 01-15-2017, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Urbandrone
Of course I know the contract. Yet the idea of waiting 2 hours to show just because the contract allows this helps no one, if I can help the operation run more smoothly by showing in less than 2 hours I did. Just because there is no punitive action if you refuse does not make refusing the "right thing to do." The company has returned this favor and did more for me than the contract required. Contract are the minimum we must do for each other.
If you care about your fellow pilots, you should be telling ALPA what CS is doing for you because of your good will. Why should their good will be limited to you? If there are others doing what you are doing then the benefits of such behavior should be uniform across the board. Otherwise, you're attempting to game the system only for your benefit and says more about you than anything else.

You're playing with fire and you don't even realize it.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Urbandrone
New guys please understand this attitude is one of the differences between mainline rules and our. Ready reserve is here exact because of this following this thought process. There is nothing in the contract that says you can't be asked to help out in a situation where the company needs you now, also there is nothing in the contract that states to can't be asked to help. Doing whatever we can to get the job done will make the job better, improve our quality of life, and keep this airline around.
Ready reserve has been around since the 1999 contract. It wasn't put in place until early around March of 2008. Who knows why the company decided to put it it in place all of a sudden at that time. I highly doubt it's because people would use up the entire call out time. Pilots were telling CS "I'll need the full call out time" for many years prior.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Urbandrone
Why hold them to it?

If you can make it there more quickly and are asked to get there more quickly why not do it?

What do we get if we all act like adults and do our job to the best of our abilities? No ready reserves.

Also this mentality is the crap that gives regional airline pilots a bad reputation in the industry. This attitude in not professional, but blue collar. If you want to be treated and paid like a professional, act like one and help the company out instead of "knowing the contract and holding them to it."
So you're suggesting changing the status quo? That will severely hurt the next negotiation. So do I go above and beyond yes when it's needed, but what you're suggesting is wrong. Knowing your contract and following it is extremely professional. You hurt all of us when you don't follow or know your contract. Call that blue collar all you want, I'll take pride in knowing the contract and following it.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
If you care about your fellow pilots, you should be telling ALPA what CS is doing for you because of your good will. Why should their good will be limited to you? If there are others doing what you are doing then the benefits of such behavior should be uniform across the board. Otherwise, you're attempting to game the system only for your benefit and says more about you than anything else.

You're playing with fire and you don't even realize it.
The company is not giving me anything because of "my good will." They are doing more for me, and from talking with other pilots them also, more than the contract requires. I'll do the same for the company.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Urbandrone
The company is not giving me anything because of "my good will" they are doing more for me, and from talking with other pilots them also, more than the contract requires. I'll do the same for the company.
You said previously, "The company has returned this favor and did more for me than the contract required."

How is this to be taken any other way as the company rewarding you for your good will? You say here, "they are doing more for you." What are they doing exactly if they aren't rewarding you somehow?
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
You said previously, "The company has returned this favor and did more for me than the contract required."

How is this to be taken any other way as the company rewarding you for your good will? You say here, "they are doing more for you." What are they doing exactly if they aren't rewarding you somehow?
Poor wording. It's not quid pro quo. The word "favor" was improperly used.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:48 PM
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This thread gets worse and worse by the day. Can we go back to arguing what the SSP pass rate is? Or how about what the bonus is taxed at? It is almost bonus time again, let's start early for this payout. How about for us old schoolers we argue about backpacks, everyone seems to have a strong opinion on pilots with backpacks.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:56 PM
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Taxes are withheld throughout the year, then the final settlement is made with Uncle Sam the following year. But the bonus is withheld at the federal level at 25%.

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Old 01-15-2017, 08:01 PM
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It's now Monday the 16th. Today EV will fly one or two planes to 9E. The first plane will either be N686BR and/or N980EV. How's that for a subject change?
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Old 01-15-2017, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Urbandrone
Poor wording. It's not quid pro quo. The word "favor" was improperly used.
I wish I could believe you. You point blank said CS was doing more for you than was required by your contract. They don't do that out of the goodness of their heart so you had to have done something to help them first. If that's not quid pro quo then I don't know what is. You can't squirm out this that easily.

Anyway, I've said my peace on this matter. If you continue to do what you've admitted to doing, don't be surprised when the backlash starts from those with whom you fly.

Good luck with your future endeavor(s).
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