Urbandrone

New guys please understand this attitude is one of the differences between mainline rules and our. Ready reserve is here exact because of this following this thought process. There is nothing in the contract that says you can't be asked to help out in a situation where the company needs you now, also there is nothing in the contract that states to can't be asked to help. Doing whatever we can to get the job done will make the job better, improve our quality of life, and keep this airline around.

WhiskeyDelta

I am at Delta mainline and I promise you that what I've explained is exactly the thought process that occurs in the vast majority of our pilots.

You say it isn't professional to go the extra mile. I say it is professional to honor the contract that is agreed upon between labor and management. I'd go so far to say you'll get more respect from both sides if you work within the letter of the contract. Otherwise you're setting yourself up for failure and the union can't protect you if you willingly violate your own contract.

I know what you're trying to say and it's admirable. So much of this job is picking the right battles to fight.


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FreightWasScary

Has anyone else ever smelled that smell in JFK at the top of the escalator of terminal 4? The one that hits the back of your throat. What the heck is that, seriously.

prex8390

Whoever smelt it dealt it

msprj2

Coming from someone who has given away scope/JV. Thanks for the hardline advice there noodle.

WhiskeyDelta

Nice try. I wasn't here during scope gives and I'm not going to explain the JV changes to you because we gained protections even though the JV ratio can be changed now.

In the end, your comment has no bearing on my discussion with the other guy. I'm not talking about negotiations. I'm talking about the actual contract language and a pilot making his own decisions about how to interpret and execute the language.

But I applaud your attempt to add something of value to the conversation even though it was an epic fail.


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msprj2

Well your not here either but you still feel you need to give advice to rsv pilots. If someone agrees to not require the full call out because it's in both parties best
Interest it's up to that individual.
That person is not circumventing the contract. Just as a pilot picking up open time to going below 11 days off.

WhiskeyDelta

So here's how it'll go down if Urbandrone has his way. Lets say for arguments sake your short call reserve was in the contract as a hard 2 hours, i.e. any SC pilot had a max of 2 hours to make it to the airport. In his world, if he was able along with many other pilots to get to the jet in 1 hour on a consistent basis, he's arguing the company would reward the entire pilot group by eliminating SC reserve (or whatever type reserve it may actually be) all together. That is the furthest thing from reality. What would happen is the company, in the next negotiation cycle, would plop all of their data on the subject on to the table say we have historical proof that our pilots can make it in 1 hour, therefore, we want the 2 hours to be reduced to 1. What's union supposed to do now? Disregard the company's evidence? Where this would be a show stopper is how this would impact the guys that need the full 2 hours. That could be the difference between sitting SC reserve at home and having to go to the airport. That's a QOL hit all because some want to go above and beyond.

To be clear, I'm not advocating NOT going above and beyond. There are plenty of ways pilots can do that within their contracts. However, I'm imploring those considering doing this often to think about how those actions can impact their fellow pilots. It's not as simple as just deciding to do it. Just like the decisions we make while flying, these contract decisions have ramifications beyond just the individual.

The ugly truth about the alleged pilot shortage is that companies are wanting - heck, demanding - more efficiencies to offset wage and benefit increases. Regionals are no exception so all I'm saying is be careful about how this can be perceived because not all pilots will be on board with those decisions.

Yumyum

Huh? Very irresponsible post. Know the contract, including you urban.

Urbandrone

Of course I know the contract. Yet the idea of waiting 2 hours to show just because the contract allows this helps no one, if I can help the operation run more smoothly by showing in less than 2 hours I did. Just because there is no punitive action if you refuse does not make refusing the "right thing to do." The company has returned this favor and did more for me than the contract required. Contract are the minimum we must do for each other.