Ray Red

Unions have no say in what it who their airline decides to buy, who they hire, or flow agreements. If it was a merger, an integrated seniority list is decided by an arbitrator if the two parties can't come up with a list on their own. IF there was a merger all pilots would keep their longevity no matter what their new seniority ends up being.

FlyingKat

Not trying to start a fight here, but when DL bought Comair all their revenue accounting, payroll, ticketing, customer service and ops functions were all taken over by Delta people and run by Delta. So to say there was no takeover of Comair's functions by Delta is false. Comair's demise had everything to do with....cost. They didn't want to operate Comair as a wholly owned and could not sell it so it was gradually shut down by.....Ryan Gumm. Who continually told Comair employees that great things were around the corner till it shut down.

There were plenty of Delta executives that came over to run Comair (Fred Buttrell anyone?) so that argument doesn't wash either.

We'll see what happens with Endeavor. Bottom line is DL management is using you guys and Gojet for a reason. That reason is rate resets. Delta threats to take flying away aren't credible unless Endeavor and Gojet can staff. Hence Delta's desperation to make things look sunny at Endeavor. Gojet is another matter.

But I'm glad things are getting better at Endeavor. You guys deserve every cent of that bonus. But Delta did many of the same things at Comair and ASA before cutting them loose. Until this rate reset issue with Skywest gets worked out it is hard to say what is going to happen. Delta could be rewriting all this stuff because 9E was such a mess to start with, and they want to pretty it up for an IPO. You never know with these guys. Bottom line they will do what makes them the most money.

Going forward the biggest advantage all of us have is the ever increasing problem staffing regional airlines, which is supposed to get worse. Hopefully these trends will continue and you guys get some kind of flow or expediting hiring to DL. That is the best you will ever get out of this. Quite frankly you sound like the Comair and ASA guys in 2002 when they kept claiming the merger was just around the corner and it never happened. It is obvious something is up with Mother Delta and regional flying. The numbers point to a return of large RJs to mainline. But the how and when will be interesting to see how it works out, but I can't see DL pilots allowing a merger, and I don't see Delta executives paying Endeavor pilots at their present longevity when they could take them as newhires and pay them year one wages.

For now enjoy the $20,000 a year and move up out of there as fast as you can.

FlyingKat

You need to read up on Ford vs ALPA. DALPA refused to agree to merging lists, and Comair and ASA guys tried to sue under ALPAs merger and fragmentation clause and lost. The merger and fragmentation clause does not apply to a wholly owned.

Bartok

Man, I used to like your posts once upon a time.....

Now you're just bad impression of ShyGuy.

Ray Red

Wasn't Ford v ALPA the lawsuit from the RJDC that accused ALPA of not representing Comair? I didn't see anything about seniority list integrations. Was that a different issue than Ford v ALPA?

FlyingKat

Yes the RJDC was created and the suit initiated for nonrepresentation because ALPA refused to enact the merger and acquisition clause and merge lists.

AlaskaBound

Sorry to disappoint. Maybe you can go over to the compass thread and you can enjoy some more of my posts. Shyguy is on a whole different level. I tell it how I see it.

Bartok

So does he.

TalkTurkey

Well then you're as blind as a dead baboon's bum hole. Plus you're still colon-inflamed that you left here and that's why you bash us. Keep flying your Composted Roses in hate. I ain't mad atcha. For those who are considering 9E, here's an update

"By placing pilots based on the most effective training output, the following incremental results were obtained:
• Additional CRJ-200 flying starting in July
• At least 6 pilots will move to Delta via the SSP earlier than planned
• the additional lines of flight require 10 additional CA positions to support flying
• the average New Hire training footprint is reduced by at least 16 days .
Just this single event stops the planned reduction to CRJ-200 aircraft and allows expansion. All Endeavor people benefit from growth and increased flying and this is an outstanding turn of events.
Subsequent to this change, Endeavor will likely post 15-03 in early or mid-May, which will be designed to increase CA seats from forecast to meet the accelerated output of FOs and potentially improve change flying levels / SSP releases based on the results."

gojo

No point trying to reason with him. For some people their day is gonna be dark and gloomy regardless. Haters are gonna hate.