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Old 05-10-2014, 11:00 AM
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What part of Moaks and your CEO's involvement with the SSP do you not understand?
ALPA supports their autonomous MECs.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:03 AM
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ALPA supports their autonomous MECs.
Yes. Your pilot and your CEO. This was all clearly the pilots at Pinnacle fault. You dodge like a politician.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Yes. Your pilot and your CEO. This was all clearly the pilots at Pinnacle fault. You dodge like a politician.
FWIW, I asked Lee not to sign based on the numerous violations of ALPA'S governing documents.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:13 AM
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Whatever BB puff your chest out on the web boards. Such a tough guy coming onto the regional boards exuding your awesomeness. You got me shaking in my boots. Such such childish threats from a superior "mainline" pilot. You have nothing to offer but stupid pot shots. Don't expect me to pet your inflated ego. Buzz off little mosquito.
How come you are still at a commuter?
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:14 AM
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.... both of which have the potential to treat our pilot group better. Per the latest bulletins, they are on the path to.
I am pleased with every contract improvement you get. I am happy every time we improve our profession.

We both know the reason management is making things better ... because as a labor group you failed so severely that no one except for you and your cadre are willing to work for what you voted yes to. So the market is fixing the problem for you.

Again, I very much hope your contract improves. It will improve, not as result of your work and not as fast as I would like, but it will get better.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:31 AM
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We both know the reason management is making things better ... because as a labor group you failed so severely that no one except for you and your cadre are willing to work for what you voted yes to. So the market is fixing the problem for you.
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Did you fail to hold Moak accountable for "numerous violations of ALPA'S governing documents?"
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:44 AM
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Did you fail to hold Moak accountable for "numerous violations of ALPA'S governing documents?"
He does an excellent job overall. Everybody figured the Endeavor pilots had just harmed themselves and if that is what they wanted it was nobody else's business.

I think the extent of which management patterned down was not anticipated.

But, Moak is right. In the end the market will provide the solution. It is that kind of being right that got him elected to the highest position in our association.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:55 AM
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He does an excellent job overall. Everybody figured the Endeavor pilots had just harmed themselves and if that is what they wanted it was nobody else's business.

I think the extent of which management patterned down was not anticipated.

But, Moak is right. In the end the market will provide the solution. It is that kind of being right that got him elected to the highest position in our association.
The market will provide the sloution that our union has failed to provide and work for? Maybe ALPA is just waiting to see what happens when "the market fixes our problems." Why do our regional airlines have to vote on these contracts that won't fix anything? The XJT and Envoy contracts that ALPA endorsed only fixed the companies problems, not the pilots'. ALPA representation to this point is failing its membership at the regional level. No way to deny it.
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I am pleased with every contract improvement you get. I am happy every time we improve our profession.

We both know the reason management is making things better ... because as a labor group you failed so severely that no one except for you and your cadre are willing to work for what you voted yes to. So the market is fixing the problem for you.

Again, I very much hope your contract improves. It will improve, not as result of your work and not as fast as I would like, but it will get better.
If Endeavor failed ok but what would you then call the CAL pilots contract that allowed SCABS to fly at a mainline?

Isn't Capt Moak a DAL Capt? Why would he allow back door negotiations which in essence is stabbing his fellow DAL pilots in the back as you seem to imply?

Why doesn't ALPA see that agreements are enforced? Look what happened to Mesaba pilots. Only a small handful could flow to DAL. You may not like flows but this was an agreement. NWA pilots made out ok "as they should" but because Mesaba wasn't a mainline ALPA did not see that their agreement was enforced or upheld.

How did ALPA help TWA pilots? You might want to ask a TWA pilot how he feels.

Seems to me Endeavor isn't the problem but just easier to point fingers at.
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:09 PM
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Seems to me Endeavor isn't the problem but just easier to point fingers at.
Agree.. Broken system.
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