Endeavor 14-04 Out
05-10-2014, 09:57 AM
#51
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
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That ain't right. While it sucks to be downgraded, they should go to f.o pay. I feel for them, I've been in their place, but I wasnt afforded the luxury of staying on CA pay, my pay went to $24 an hour or whatever it was back then. A downgrade is a downgrade, whats the point of doing it if the pay doesnt go with it?
05-10-2014, 10:08 AM
#52
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
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That's my point. I mean Pinnacle's management got on the pole position for the race to the bottom, but from there you are right. It was an orchestrated crisis that was very transparent if you watched were Delta was putting it's money.
The only one with the power to stop the execution of that plan (at least as far as screwing over regional pilot labor) was your pilot group.
I agree completely with what you wrote.
The only one with the power to stop the execution of that plan (at least as far as screwing over regional pilot labor) was your pilot group.
I agree completely with what you wrote.
05-10-2014, 10:24 AM
#53
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Captain
Posts: 464
FWIW, I agree with him. You should have voted that "agreement" down.
Anyone who could read an 8-k knew the crisis was about as feal as the stage show at Chuck E Cheeze's, but you managed to put half the profession into concessionary bargaining in addition to screwing yourselves pretty royally.
ALPA allows MEC to bargain autonomously. It is right there in the Constitution & Bylaws. IMHO you screwed other ALPA members with your SSP.
Moak should not have signed it, but you'd have sued him if he didn't.
Anyone who could read an 8-k knew the crisis was about as feal as the stage show at Chuck E Cheeze's, but you managed to put half the profession into concessionary bargaining in addition to screwing yourselves pretty royally.
ALPA allows MEC to bargain autonomously. It is right there in the Constitution & Bylaws. IMHO you screwed other ALPA members with your SSP.
Moak should not have signed it, but you'd have sued him if he didn't.
Your opinion isn't of worth here. Y'all have bashed this thing to death. Everyone who voted yes including me did based On the information we had and voted. I and most have no guilt or regret for doing so because that is the hand we had at the time. We went 6+ yrs before a new contract to have it ripped from us in bankruptcy and before we had the pre bankruptcy contract, we turned one down. So it must be easy for outsiders to judge us when most would have done the same with similar circumstances.
With this recent announcement on pay protection for downgraded Captains, it shows that Delta(endeavor) are becoming more concerned on our staffing and are attempting to takes steps to properly staff us. It is in bad taste to our FOs but shows the company's increasing need to make changes. Well Delta is the one who authorizes them. Our CEO said an announcement is coming with better career progression to Delta and over pilot compensation. Will wait and see but looks like they are more desperate than they are admitting.. Supply and Demand!!
05-10-2014, 10:24 AM
#54
Can't abide NAI
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Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
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Whatever BB puff your chest out on the web boards. Such a tough guy coming onto the regional boards exuding your awesomeness. You got me shaking in my boots. Such such childish threats from a superior "mainline" pilot. You have nothing to offer but stupid pot shots. Don't expect me to pet your inflated ego. Buzz off little mosquito.
Maybe United, or US Air ... then we will both be happier.
05-10-2014, 10:25 AM
#55
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05-10-2014, 10:28 AM
#56
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But I do think you've had the very rare luck of being at the wrong place at the right time. Which is a good thing for you. I do not know if it will be enough to fix what ails Endeavor, but hopefully another airline will help us out with Catboat. He seems well suited for Virgin America. Maybe Shy Guy could help him get in the door.
05-10-2014, 10:31 AM
#57
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05-10-2014, 10:38 AM
#58
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