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Old 04-10-2014, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
ASA had a brand new FO on his first IOE leave the captain stranded at the layover and flew home. This doesn't surprise me in the least...
Wow. How long ago was that? Talk about a douche. I'm sorry, but people like that deserve to be black listed from any and all airlines. Actually, they deserve to be black listed in aviation.
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Old 04-10-2014, 06:55 PM
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Wow. How long ago was that? Talk about a douche. I'm sorry, but people like that deserve to be black listed from any and all airlines. Actually, they deserve to be black listed in aviation.
Quitting without 14 days notice is a PRIA reportable event. This isn't however the first time people have done this, people do what they need to do, we do live in a free country. Don't be so quick to judge, especially if you have never worked for a regional and have no idea of the circumstances of this individual.

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Old 04-10-2014, 07:06 PM
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In class at Mesa now. Captain before the third Clinton administration.
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Old 04-10-2014, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Quitting without 14 days notice is a PRIA reportable event.
Say what? PRIA is designed for prospective employers to evaluate certain information concerning a pilot/applicant’s training, experience, qualification, and safety background. That's it. No mas.

Read this. Educate yourself.

http://www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/p...20and%20PA.rtf

http://www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/p...rotections.rtf


Specifically:

3. Disciplinary Actions that are unrelated to a termination or release from employment, and have been imposed on a pilot by the employer, should only be reported if they involve the individual’s performance as a pilot, and have not been subsequently overturned. Other employment related actions that have nothing to do with the pilot’s flight duties resulting in a disciplinary action, but not discharge or termination, should not be reported. (49 U.S.C. § 44703(h)(1)(B)(ii)(II))

4. Release From Employment Records. All disciplinary actions, however, including those that do not involve performance as a pilot, must be reported if they played any role in the current or future termination or release from employment of the pilot. (49 U.S.C. § 44703(h)(1)(B)(ii)(III))


So even if you set the parking brake in the middle of a trip, and walk off the job, you've quit. I. E. Resigned. You cannot be fired for quitting. You self terminated. Therefore the above does not apply.

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Old 04-10-2014, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Quitting without 14 days notice is a PRIA reportable event.
Where on earth did you get this idea?
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:25 PM
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In class at Mesa now. Captain before the third Clinton administration.
Blasphemy!
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
ASA had a brand new FO on his first IOE leave the captain stranded at the layover and flew home.
Wow. Just wow.

The question is...did he use JS or non-rev benefits to get home before the airline figured it out?
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon900pilot
Where on earth did you get this idea?
Originally Posted by sandlapper223
Say what? PRIA is designed for prospective employers to evaluate certain information concerning a pilot/applicant’s training, experience, qualification, and safety background. That's it. No mas.

Read this. Educate yourself.
I am not a lawyer, this is from ALPA and they have lawyers on staff that I have to believe know more about this than most of us:

Please be aware that two-week notices are recorded within your PRIA. Recently, there have been pilots who have submitted Resignation notices without the standard two-weeks, all while not realizing this is recorded in the PRIA records and also, some didn’t know what PRIA was. Please educate yourself with PRIAs and note that the “no 2-weeks given” will stay on your PRIA for at least 5 years.
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I am not a lawyer, this is from ALPA and they have lawyers on staff that I have to believe know more about this than most of us:


(2) The hiring employer will ask your previous employer(s) to provide records pertaining to you, except for those related to flight time, duty time, or rest time. They will provide records on your performance as a pilot concerning your training, qualifications, proficiency, and professional competence, including any comments or evaluations by check airmen; any disciplinary actions that the previous employer did not overturn; and any release from employment or resignation, termination, or disqualification from employment. Additionally, under PRIA, your former Department of Transportation (DOT)-regulated employer(s) will provide records of drug and alcohol tests performed under Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (49 CFR) part 40, even if the employers were not aviation entities.
(3) The air carrier or air operator should maintain PRIA-related records for the duration of your employment with them and an additional period of 5 years after the termination of that employment. Anyone possessing PRIA-related records must ensure that individuals not involved in the hiring process do not view or have access to your records. The one exception is the FAA inspector, who cannot be denied access to a PRIA-related system of records when conducting surveillance or inspection. However, when viewing such records, the FAA inspector must make every effort to protect your privacy and the confidentiality of your PRIA-related records.
d. Records Concerning Disciplinary Actions. Your previous employer must report any disciplinary actions that involved your performance as a pilot in which they did not subsequently overturn and did not involve termination or release from employment. Your previous employer must report all disciplinary actions, including those that did not involve your performance as a pilot, if they played any role in your termination or release from employment.
a. Pilot Performance. Furnish records pertaining to the individual’s performance as a
pilot, including:
(1) Initial and recurrent training records.

(2) Records concerning qualifications, proficiency, or professional competence of the individual, including comments and evaluations made by a check airman designated under § 121.411, § 125.295, or § 135.337. For example, documents that show the individual’s qualifications as instructor/evaluator, check airman, or examiner; and records of the individual’s proficiency checks (recurring checks for captain, first officer, or line checks).

(3) Records of any disciplinary action(s) that the employer did not subsequently overturn, if these disciplinary actions pertained to the individual’s performance as a pilot.

(4) Any release from employment or resignation, termination, or disqualification of the individual with respect to employment.

b. Disciplinary Actions that Resulted in Termination of Employment. Report any disciplinary actions you took against the pilot that played any role in the individual’s termination
or release from employment.

c. Disciplinary Actions Involving Pilot’s Performance. Only report disciplinary actions unrelated to an individual’s termination or release from employment if the actions involved the individual’s performance as a pilot and the employer did not subsequently overturn them. You should not report other employment-related actions that have nothing to do with the pilot’s aeronautical duties that resulted in a disciplinary action, but did not result in discharge or termination.
So here's the information from the AC. Yes, "ALPO has lawyers", but in this business some of them are so incompetent as far as aviation law is concerned it's not even funny. What I take from this is that an employer could write down anything they want and send it in as part of the PRIA request. If you left on bad terms and they were mad that you didn't give two weeks notice, they could put that in the "PRIA record" concerning your release from employment/termination. On the other hand, you DO have a right to request your PRIA records from the employer and you COULD make a complaint with their certificate holding office, which would have to get investigated as a matter of law, and I'd say you'd stand a pretty good chance of getting that stricken, since it has nothing to do with PRIA really, so either way, you'd be holding a pretty good hand IMO.
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Old 04-11-2014, 02:16 AM
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Even though it's not PRIA reportable, you stil have to explain where you got a CL-601 type from, and why you only have one flight in your logbook.
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