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Old 04-15-2014, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by vilcas
The savings that an autonomous aircraft will provide will make it sensible for the cargo companies to try. They will have an easier time because public opinion won't be an issue. There is still a lot of work to be done but the idea is to remove the pilot from the operation completely and let a computer do what the pilots struggle to do. Look at the last 10 years, the major accidents would have been avoided with a computer running the show. The computer doesn't get bored doesn't get tired doesn't long to cut corners. Yes computers are susceptible to glitches but redundant systems can reduce the risk of an error to close to 0. There is always risk but its about beating the human beings. Humans are not good at error free redundant tasks. The bottom line is what will drive management in this direction and the technology is fast approaching where this will take shape and become the new reality. I give it 30 years and the phase out will begin. One more reason not to become a pilot of your graduating high school.
No computer would have saved the BE-1900 crash in CLT. (Air Midwest I think it was) That plane was flat out unflyable on that flight no matter who, or what was at the controls.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
Weird. I thought it was for all "Tier IV" candidates, < 1000 hours TT.

Why such a rush to fail guys out of seats?

I can't blame them for failing CA upgrade or taking forever on OE since the mentality is "show up to CA upgrade knowing everything."

Same reason I should be ****ed about the FO ATP debacle. "Know everything." Everything GP? Or everything [ insert guy who asked me how many wheels (including galley cart) on aircraft ]?

I am sure I am a better pilot because I know and was able to recite wiper rates (80 cyc/min or 125 cyc/min), or what kind of Halon is in the engine fire bottles (1301).

After I did mine, the company distributed a "study guide". After I did mine, it was a covered topic in ground school. Too little, too late.

I am not saying I want, or need to be spoon-fed, but the cost savings items here are ridiculous. Death by LMS once a year, and constant "know everything". How about emphasis topics?

Any idea how many guys failed or got loads of OE because of check airmen bias? My buddy got a 4 hour oral coming to 200 FO. I have never had an oral that long here. I have been yelled out inside and outside the sim. That has no place in a training environment.

Before we worry about high-time OE guys, let's make sure the training house is in order and trying to pinpoint the weaknesses of the candidates at hour 1, not hour 75...
I was in the very first F/O ATP class. It was such a horrible mess, and one of the ground instructors was on his last week at the company so he basically phoned it in.

The ONLY guidance I received when I asked about which direction I should take in studying for the oral was "Download the FAA's Airline Transport Pilot Practical Test Standards" booklet.

SERIOUSLY?
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bonesbrigade
I was in the very first F/O ATP class. It was such a horrible mess, and one of the ground instructors was on his last week at the company so he basically phoned it in.

The ONLY guidance I received when I asked about which direction I should take in studying for the oral was "Download the FAA's Airline Transport Pilot Practical Test Standards" booklet.

SERIOUSLY?
Yeah, as with everything else south-campus, it was a freaking joke.

Now they are reduced to telling us that we will fail harder under AQP because we can fail LOFTs now.
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Old 04-15-2014, 08:00 PM
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Maybe, they just discovered last week the basic secure exchange of the internet had been hacked and basically all passwords were compromised. It's going to take a long time to prove any of this **** is secure. This isn't free acars text, your talking controls of an airliner.

Will this guy monitor speed on approach of multi planes to make sure they don't stall? It sounds good, but there is a reason the cockpit is a two man setup.
These issues have already been solved by NASA, the data is secured by encryption that is verified by the pilot on board. A complete drone without pilots has issues, single pilot aircraft do not.
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Old 04-15-2014, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
These issues have already been solved by NASA, the data is secured by encryption that is verified by the pilot on board. A complete drone without pilots has issues, single pilot aircraft do not.
And most airline safety enhancements in the last 20 years have involved CRM. Pulling out the $20,000/year pilot, hiring a $50,000/year drone manipulator, and reversing 20 years of safety improvements...
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
Yeah, as with everything else south-campus, it was a freaking joke.

Now they are reduced to telling us that we will fail harder under AQP because we can fail LOFTs now.
but.... how many holes are in the static port? yes, that's true, but how many on the other deliveries?
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
but.... how many holes are in the static port? yes, that's true, but how many on the other deliveries?
The guy that asked that isn't there anymore
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Old 04-16-2014, 07:16 AM
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The very nature of technology would suggest we will be seeing single pilot cockpits in airliners in the near future. The pilot shortage may very well be a catalyst. It wouldn't surprise me if companies like Boeing are spending R&D dollars looking at this. IE- who will be the first to profit from this model? Boeing or Airbus. It's a threat to the status quo but ultimately the numbers will prove out its safer and more cost effective.

I think where the argument gets interesting are those situations where a procedure or checklist hasn't been created for. A computer can't hope to cope with a situation it is not programmed for, that's where the human element comes into play, the desire to survive, think out of the box creatively, and cope with situations where there is no training, only experience and judgment. Take the United Airlines / Captain Al Haynes story for example as a prime example. In that particular accident, it took more than the minimum crew to get the airplane on the ground.

In summary, I suspect the same conversations occurred back when talk of switching away from 3 crew airplanes to 2 crew was the topic of the day.
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Old 04-16-2014, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mooney
The guy that asked that isn't there anymore
True...I heard TH got removed from the training department due to indiscretions.

That yahoo gave me a 4 hour oral and then a 4 hour type ride for the CRJ.
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
True...I heard TH got removed from the training department due to indiscretions.

That yahoo gave me a 4 hour oral and then a 4 hour type ride for the CRJ.
No not TH. TH gives a pretty fair ride.
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