BIGRIG

Perhaps we could use an Avro story from a Mesaba geriatric to bring us all together.

cencal83406

If they are still here, clearly they weren't!

tom11011

touche'

Bartok

We just have to wait until they buy GoJets and Compass and merge their seniority lists with ours.

That will create solidarity!

Mesabah

The Avro was such a great plane to them because it enabled the regional lifer.

Falcon900pilot

Hahaha... trying to roll a hand grenade in the room eh?

Avroman

[QUOTE=vilcas;1622852]Seniority allows you to bid for upgrade but the training department should not be responsible to make sure that you do. If you show up for training unprepared and unmotivated the training department should expedite your return to the right seat. The training department should be a resource to help the candidate. Help but not do it for them. OE is tricky since sometimes deficiencies aren't properly uncovered and the pilot gets signed off prematurely. I am glad the planes are good and help the pilots do their job. If you would refuse a plane with no autopilot, flight director and FMS into LGA then you don't belong in the flight deck.[/QUOTE]

It's this unfortunate mentality that was common at Pinnacle that allowed management to get away with broken APU's in MEM in the middle of summer for the entire 10 days allowed by MEL all the time. There was NO excuse to allow that. It's DANGEROUS!!! Legal, yes. Dangerous, absolutely. Sadly this group overall has no balls to say no. 85% proved that.

legend

Not a good argument! Jetstreams had no autopilot hence the proficiency. I do agree however that we as pilots should hand fly periodically to keep proficient not just on approach.

vilcas

Avroman no APU is a safety concern in hot weather. There is no amount of training that can keep the cabin safe in hot weather with no APU. If you can't fly the aircraft with no flight director and FMS, this means that you have allowed your skills to erode to an unacceptable level. The good news is this has an easy cure. Practice makes perfect. There are circumstances where refusal is a responsible option but it shouldn't be the default option and certainly not because your headed to a busy airport.

gojo

There is a reason we have the automation we have today, and it's notvto add to our laziness. The automation helps with situational awareness. Now on a clear VFR day, no fatigue, it probably do able, but then you start adding things, and things snowball. Ever heard of the chain of events? Anyway, who are you talking about here? Line holders, reserve pilots? Just going to LGA, DCA, or JFK is a lot already for those that don't go in there very often. If you ask a Delta pilot, most would tell you that they are glorified button pushers now. Yes, raw hand flying skills are diminishing throughout in the industry, but when the $hit hits the fan that autopilot relieves workload