Originally Posted by cencal83406

Weird. I thought it was for all "Tier IV" candidates, < 1000 hours TT.

Why such a rush to fail guys out of seats?

I can't blame them for failing CA upgrade or taking forever on OE since the mentality is "show up to CA upgrade knowing everything."

Same reason I should be ****ed about the FO ATP debacle. "Know everything." Everything GP? Or everything [ insert guy who asked me how many wheels (including galley cart) on aircraft ]?

I am sure I am a better pilot because I know and was able to recite wiper rates (80 cyc/min or 125 cyc/min), or what kind of Halon is in the engine fire bottles (1301).

After I did mine, the company distributed a "study guide". After I did mine, it was a covered topic in ground school. Too little, too late.

I am not saying I want, or need to be spoon-fed, but the cost savings items here are ridiculous. Death by LMS once a year, and constant "know everything". How about emphasis topics?

Any idea how many guys failed or got loads of OE because of check airmen bias? My buddy got a 4 hour oral coming to 200 FO. I have never had an oral that long here. I have been yelled out inside and outside the sim. That has no place in a training environment.

Before we worry about high-time OE guys, let's make sure the training house is in order and trying to pinpoint the weaknesses of the candidates at hour 1, not hour 75...

Originally Posted by cencal83406

Before we worry about high-time OE guys, let's make sure the training house is in order and trying to pinpoint the weaknesses of the candidates at hour 1, not hour 75...

Originally Posted by IBPilot

Last I checked, 250 hours is less than 1000 hours, which just proves you know exactly what I meant and just like to hear yourself whine and moan.

Originally Posted by vilcas

If you would refuse a plane with no autopilot, flight director and FMS into LGA then you don't belong in the flight deck.

Originally Posted by pagey

Well this is quite the blanket statement.

What's the weather? Are there any other MELs? What day of the trip is it? How many legs have you already done today? Is it day?Night? How long have you been on duty? Is the FO new? The captain?

No AP, FD, and FMS.....I'd consider a whole lot of stuff before accepting that acft.

As a matter of fact my first instinct is to say no.

That doesn't make me a bad pilot. It makes me smart. Like it or not being without those 3 pieces of equipment is simply not something we all do anymore.

Day 1 leg 1 at noon on a wednesday flying into CVG....Sure.

Day 5 leg 4 at 8pm with snow/ice into LGA....Nope.com

Originally Posted by vilcas

If you would refuse a plane with no autopilot, flight director and FMS into LGA then you don't belong in the flight deck.

Originally Posted by cencal83406

Exactly. That's it.

By the way, recurrent PCs should be a good gauge of your knowledge. But, when the first 5 years are spent asking fluff questions then subsequently taking a real oral, it's not. Why do you think so many people asked "is it a standard Pinnacle PC?"

This all started because you are butthurt about a guy who spent years volunteering for ALPA, transitioning successfully to CRJ200 CA. He isn't entitled. He earned it. We can't change the Bloch award. So, time to move on and be good at CRM instead of willfully making life hell for coworkers.

If you don't think there are systematic problems with old 9E training, or you think XJ and 9L guys have some sort of higher rate of failure or higher OE value, it's probably because you are biased, the LCAs are being Chatty Cathy's, or the training department is deficient.

But yeah, I just like to complain. That's a convenient catch-all.

The old scheduling committee guy is on airlink telling us that AQP means much higher failure rates than old Pinnacle PCs. Commander R, 900 sub captain, is posting stupid meme's about taking a PC before AQP debacle 2014.

Why can't people go to work without the sole intention of being a choad to "non-original" Pinnacle?