Nantonaku

Just because someone forgets a skill they haven't been trained on and haven't used in 6 years they are an inferior airman? If the airline wants us to be proficient in calculating a descent cover it in ground school or spend 2 minutes in the sim covering it. Any person of average intelligence could be shown how to do this in 2 minutes and immediately put it to use. Any person that has their ATP has the ability to perform 6th grade math. And there is no way there is a difference between Regional and Mainline on this, I have seen some massive confusion in mainline cockpits when there are issues with the FMS. You think mainline pilots are going home after their trip and studying to remain proficient? But you expect regional pilots to study on their days off?

Nantonaku

I don't get you, so now you are calling people cowards? You accuse others of putting words in your mouth and now you are saying people on here are blaming you for their problems? Here is the deal, ship sets are a joke, they should just be assumed in a co-domicile. We shouldn't have to give anything up for ship sets. They shouldn't even enter into the negotiation until after we have pay/vacation restored. Don't you think it is a stretch to call 15% of your co-workers, who stood up and put their jobs on the line, calling management's bluff cowards? So now Eagle and XJT pilots are cowards?

vilcas

Ground school is not meant to teach you basic airmanship skills. Everyday you show up to work you are expected to do your job and some days that's flying a VOR approach and if you haven't done one in over a year and you bust a minimum altitude it won't be because of ground school training. This is your responsibility as an airman. I point this out because I observe the same people complaining about pay acting unprofessionally. Act like a professional and if the pay doesn't meet your personal requirements resign or don't take the job in the first place.

Nantonaku

How is descending early on a 3.0 descent and busting an altitude on a VOR approach even remotely similar? You are trying to make a correlation between busting an altitude and wearing a North Face jacket? Is there an NTSB study on that? I think you are grasping at straws, VOR approaches are practiced every 6 months anyway, so the FAA feels like some training is required to retain basic airmanship. And telling people to leave is horrible advice if you plan on being employed here longer than a year. Your job depends on people coming/staying.

Gearswinger

Your reading skills are impeccable. Seriously, a real testament to whatever school system you attended.

Once again, it was never said that ship sets were an acceptable exchange for co domicile. And yes, the people who voted yes and claim that they didn't are cowards. Statistically speaking, nearly everyone you come across voted yes, but I've only met 2 people who've said they voted that way, I constantly hear people say they voted no. The math doesn't work out that everyone voted no but it still passed with 85%, so a lot of people are lying about their vote, and those people are cowards.

swamp

Make it 3, i picked my poison and voted yes. What I hate is when idiots get on 9E forum or this one for that matter make stupid comments like - bbbbbbbbbut I have a mortgage and family... What an idiot, do these people that mock the yes voters for voting yes because of their responsibilities to their family, only come to work for our awesome travel benefits? Because if I didn't have family responsibilities I would have left pinnacle a very long time ago. The yes voters are the reason the no voters are still employed, however times have changed, I hope management enjoyed their time of bankrupt concessions, because good luck getting anything from us without coming to the table with some serious give backs.

Nantonaku

Resorting to personal attacks, nice, if you can't beat them resort to childish attacks. Here is your quote:

I never said that you would trade ship sets for co-domicile. You made that up in your own little world. What I am saying is that ship sets should not be part of the negotiation. The company shouldn't be using those as a bargaining chip. You on the other hand seem to be very giddy on ship sets, like you would sell your first born for them. Why don't you let us know your position? Articulate where you stand so there is no confusion, use the tools the school system you attended taught you.

And save us from your lecture on statistics, 1.5 out of ten is not statistically "nearly everyone". It seems like everyone you talk to voted NO because the no voters are more vocal, they are proud of their vote. The yes voters just keep quit.

Gearswinger

Lol. Keep endeavoring to make that point. Doesn't make it true.

Flitestar

Riiiight. So the 15% no voters need to thank you guys now?

Now that, lady's and gents, is prime time entertainment. You just can't make this s#!t up.

swamp

Reading comprehension and grammar are obviously not your strong suit.
Lady's = something belonging to the lady. Ie- the lady's bathroom, the lady's house, the lady's dressing room. What you meant to write was ladies and gents. You're welcome.

Second- where in my post did I ask for a thank you? Please show me, and if you honestly believe that had we voted no, we would still be in business, then that is your opinion. I for one, think that a no vote would have shut pinnacle down, just like comair, rendering all the yes and NO voters without a job. I'm glad that we are still here, and if you hate it so much, then stop bit$hing and start walking.