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Old 02-24-2014, 02:35 PM
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So who gonna fly it? Their options are running out and they can't "award" it to another regional if they can't staff it either
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I've spoken with numerous guys and gals who take part in the hiring and interviewing process. From what I've gathered from our short conversations is that its (at this point) not a shortage of applicants. Its a problem with their definition of a suitable selection. They'll interview say 30 pilots, offer jobs to 10 of them and then only have 4-5 accept and even then only a few show. So the question now is why are they being so picky? Why do the new hire candidates need to meet Delta standards knowing darn well they're going to pay them below industry rates? I find it hard to believe they don't know why they can't hire. All the guys they want are going to other carriers. It is no secret that Delta has told us that we'll fly as much as we can staff, but what are they holding onto? I have to believe there is something they aren't telling us yet. Just my opinion. At this rate we won't be able to staff the 900's come this time next year.
Lets be honest, DL management is arrogant but not stupid. They dont want to be the first to stop the race to the bottom. In almost all metrics except network size, they pretty much lead the industry. They cannot afford the appearance of being unable to control costs. But one way or another something will have to give because the status quo is not sustainable in the long term and they know that. Whether that something benefits us in the short term remains to be seen.
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
Lets be honest, DL management is arrogant but not stupid. They dont want to be the first to stop the race to the bottom. In almost all metrics except network size, they pretty much lead the industry. They cannot afford the appearance of being unable to control costs. But one way or another something will have to give because the status quo is not sustainable in the long term and they know that. Whether that something benefits us in the short term remains to be seen.

If we are having such a hard time attracting pilots why are we still screening candidates using the "Delta process" which further limits the available pool of pilots?
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Old 02-24-2014, 06:40 PM
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If we are having such a hard time attracting pilots why are we still screening candidates using the "Delta process" which further limits the available pool of pilots?
What's your point? Maybe it's because Delta requires it. I'm sure Delta has a plan. It just hasn't been made public...or maybe it has. Park airplanes as pilots leave until they get to 81 airplanes. From there...no one knows.
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What's your point? Maybe it's because Delta requires it. I'm sure Delta has a plan. It just hasn't been made public...or maybe it has. Park airplanes as pilots leave until they get to 81 airplanes. From there...no one knows.
The point is that they should hire every sucker they get to apply. Beggars can't be choosers. If they want to keep airplanes flying they should do what the other regionals are doing, hire people over the phone. Even if the plan is 81 900's in a couple years they are going to start having problems staffing those.
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Old 02-25-2014, 10:01 AM
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Maybe that's what they want. For the attrition to bring levels down to only staff 81 airplanes. A Legal reason to get out of newer 200 leases. They know exactly what they are doing but the question is how long can they do this before they pass the point of no return. Or maybe that's their plan..they already know they won't be able to staff Endeavor in the future. We shall see...they will show their cards soon.
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Old 02-25-2014, 10:47 AM
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They're gonna need to give flying elsewhere anyways if they can't staff their flying. Bet you $1 that they'd rather wind them down on their own terms vs BW telling them they can't staff the flying they've been given.
A whole dollar???? You must be an Endeavor FO. Anyway, Delta, American, and United has made clear of their intentions of reducing 50 seat lift. This works nicely with the "pilot shortage". I believe the rate that these airplanes are parked is directly tied to how these operators are able hire to replace attrition. Mainline will take as much back as they see fit, and reduce frequency.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:40 AM
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About a year ago they put out that hard fleet plan saying 81 900's. They made the decision then. Later on they amended it to put in the conditional maybe some 200's thing. That in reality was a stall tactic after they realized they showed their hand too soon. They can make endeavor middle management puppets and act like they care about attrition but again this is probably another stall tactic. There's literally no pressure at all for them to keep more than 900-1,000 pilots around.

The kicker being the SSP acting maybe even unintentionally as an insurance policy to do it. The guys that have failed and are ineligible to re-interview will feel trapped and stay. The FO's mostly downgraded captains will stay because they want their SSP interview eventually. Top spots are stalled out and with the list shrinking it compounds the problem. Fewer captain slots, more relative lifers, trapped FO's.

Delta knows what they're doing and its business gold. They have assured themselves a dirt cheap 900 operator with little real movement and no pressure whatsoever to increase anything. They can wind it down to 900-1,000 pilots over the next year or two and see how things go. They aren't stupid and them handing out any money at all right now would be stupid.
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
The point is that they should hire every sucker they get to apply. Beggars can't be choosers. If they want to keep airplanes flying they should do what the other regionals are doing, hire people over the phone. Even if the plan is 81 900's in a couple years they are going to start having problems staffing those.
If you offer to foot the bill for your training, I'm sure they'd be happy to hire you. **Note: I'm not suggesting you actually do this.

The airlines HAVE to be picky even during a shortage because they are still footing the bill for training. They have their processes for determining the best candidates which, I'm sure include whether they feel they could successfully pass a ATP/Type ride. In times when the bottom line at regionals is apparently forever tight, they can't afford to send someone through the sims, give them extra training, and even then not get them through it (I've seen it happen over and over). From what I've heard, Mesa is having a real hard time with this right now since they are accepting just about anyone. That isn't a cheap mistake to be making.

On top of that, you don't want to hire people who don't play well with others, have a propensity for not following the rules, or have excessive discipline issues in the real world (tickets, DUIs, jail, etc).
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Originally Posted by Deice Press
About a year ago they put out that hard fleet plan saying 81 900's. They made the decision then. Later on they amended it to put in the conditional maybe some 200's thing. That in reality was a stall tactic after they realized they showed their hand too soon. They can make endeavor middle management puppets and act like they care about attrition but again this is probably another stall tactic. There's literally no pressure at all for them to keep more than 900-1,000 pilots around.

The kicker being the SSP acting maybe even unintentionally as an insurance policy to do it. The guys that have failed and are ineligible to re-interview will feel trapped and stay. The FO's mostly downgraded captains will stay because they want their SSP interview eventually. Top spots are stalled out and with the list shrinking it compounds the problem. Fewer captain slots, more relative lifers, trapped FO's.

Delta knows what they're doing and its business gold. They have assured themselves a dirt cheap 900 operator with little real movement and no pressure whatsoever to increase anything. They can wind it down to 900-1,000 pilots over the next year or two and see how things go. They aren't stupid and them handing out any money at all right now would be stupid.
You make it sound like the only way out is through the SSP interview??? Furthermore, it clearly states that in order to be eligible one must be an active captain. Although, that's not the way our lovely union presented it to us initially. Mainline hiring is just getting started, and as the retirements accelerate so will the hiring. That will offer other opportunities to everyone, even those that were told don't apply to the arrogant Delta ever again. I feel that the ones that don't pursue other opportunities will be those nearing retirement, and I don't believe it'll be as stagnant as you predict.
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