Originally Posted by PinnacleFO

Question: delta has a pass rate of 65% historically for interviews and that is the people they select. Why should endeavor have a higher pass rate? Just so we can attract new hires? Let them attract new hires by fixing endeavor, not by asking delta to hire more of our guys as a charity. Why should delta do anything to accommodate us? We already have been given a guaranteed interview no matter what you have in your past at a great airline. If you prepare for this interview you will pass it. The information is there but it's very hard and you have to be thurough.

Originally Posted by Imapilot2

Also considering that pass rate is of people they have to interview. The normal pass rate of 65 is of the top 1/2 percent of the 10000 apps. Looking at this hiring rate from just one regional I see it as extremely generous as is. Without this ssp 95% of these guys wouldn't have gotten an interview off the street this early in the hiring game at Delta. The off the street selection process right now is extremely competitive. There are always outliers but even Chuck's kid would be hard pressed to get an interview right now.

Originally Posted by PinnacleFO

I may be a minority but does our contract suck? Yes it does but this ssp is a fantastic opportunity for every endeavor pilot. Even if you are the most junior fo you know that you eventually have a delta interview. Who can say that elsewhere? Delta is so far ahead of any other American airline it's silly. If you don't want to wait for your interview no one is forcing you, go somewhere else and have a great career. Or try and beat the system and go somewhere and then apply to delta from there. There are many ways to do it but getting a guaranteed interview at delta is unheard of until now and for many of our pilots maybe even me, it's a chance that maybe never would have come. I know I'm preparing way ahead of time for it

Originally Posted by PinnacleFO

I may be a minority but does our contract suck? Yes it does but this ssp is a fantastic opportunity for every endeavor pilot. Even if you are the most junior fo you know that you eventually have a delta interview. Who can say that elsewhere? Delta is so far ahead of any other American airline it's silly. If you don't want to wait for your interview no one is forcing you, go somewhere else and have a great career. Or try and beat the system and go somewhere and then apply to delta from there. There are many ways to do it but getting a guaranteed interview at delta is unheard of until now and for many of our pilots maybe even me, it's a chance that maybe never would have come. I know I'm preparing way ahead of time for it

Originally Posted by Flitestar

You mean for Captains...

Don't forget, fleet is shrinking and everybody is banking on massive attrition to make up for it just to avoid furloughs. Imagine how long it will be before fresh upgrades kick in after fleet reduction. What's seniority on current 9E CAs being downgraded? 7-8 years?

It's gonna be a very long time before any post 2008 new hire gets a shot at upgrade.

Union did a helluva job at making the FOs believe the SSP included them too during roadshows and docs. That proved to be another big fat lie from ALPA, and yet another well placed slap to the FO group.

Originally Posted by Flitestar

You mean for Captains...

Don't forget, fleet is shrinking and everybody is banking on massive attrition to make up for it just to avoid furloughs. Imagine how long it will be before fresh upgrades kick in after fleet reduction. What's seniority on current 9E CAs being downgraded? 7-8 years?

It's gonna be a very long time before any post 2008 new hire gets a shot at upgrade.

Union did a helluva job at making the FOs believe the SSP included them too during roadshows and docs. That proved to be another big fat lie from ALPA, and yet another well placed slap to the FO group.

Originally Posted by norskman2

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Originally Posted by Flitestar


You mean for Captains...

Don't forget, fleet is shrinking and everybody is banking on massive attrition to make up for it just to avoid furloughs. Imagine how long it will be before fresh upgrades kick in after fleet reduction. What's seniority on current 9E CAs being downgraded? 7-8 years?

It's gonna be a very long time before any post 2008 new hire gets a shot at upgrade.

Union did a helluva job at making the FOs believe the SSP included them too during roadshows and docs. That proved to be another big fat lie from ALPA, and yet another well placed slap to the FO group.




Ding! Ding! WINNER!!!!

For Captains it's a good deal IF they pass their Delta interview For everyone else, including downgraded Captains who can't use SSP because they aren't "current Captains" (a loophole that conveniently wasn't made clear during roadshows), they're working for a shrinking airline with a lousy contract.

Originally Posted by Catboatsailor

Their passrate for off street is upper 70% from what my sources have told me. Endeavor is now in the low 40% region after this week. The SSP gave unprecedented access to pilot employment and training records. This was intended to help Mainline determine the caliber of pilot. Pilots aren't even making it to this stage of the process. We all know many of these pilots who didn't pass muster. Respected LCA's and pilots who have been flying in the 121 industry for 20+ years. The caliber of pilots being turned down is more of a concern to me, than the percentage rate.

The goal is to attract new pilots at Endeavor. Who will come here to have a stymied career progression? Delta owns us, if they want to lower costs, entice new pilots to work for their wholly-owned subsidiary, they need to invest. Delta is fixing Endeavor. Moved our HQ back to MSP. Delta runs our IT, Payroll. Tech ops now works on our engines. They've driven many changes to our manuals and working to harmonize our customer service standards to match theirs. It's rumored our HR department is being taken over as well. If you liken it to a sports car, they've put on shiny new wheels, nice paint job, but are keeping the worn out engine. Tune up the engine, get new parts. If you want sell her someday, at the Barrett-Jackson Auction you have to work on the engine. What does it cost them to hire pilots who have an established 121 work history? That already fly Delta paying passengers?

Island Air is giving a $12k bonus to new-hires? If I was a freshly minted ATP, where would I go? Sit reserve in JFK, Lowest FO pay in the industry, no sign-on bonus, no chance for upgrade, work with a unhappy pilot group, potentially in company that will wind-down? Or Reserve in HNL, with a signing bonus. Mai-Tai's here I come! Compass has a successful model to entice new-hires, last of flow-thru's ensure upgrades. A guaranteed interview at Delta for new hires as well (which IHMO is equivalent to our SSP).

We will get hired by UAL, AA, etc, we are quality pilots. I'm concerned about Endeavor's longterm viability. How will we staff the 200's they want us to keep now, let alone the 900's that are coming on property? IMHO, Hiring our pilots, is a benefit to Delta's bottom line. I have great pride in this little "regional airline". We've been thru hell and back. This pilot group has kept a high standard, despite insurmountable odds.

In the end it's a business decision. Are they looking to sell us at the Barrett-Jackson Auction or dump us onto Carsoup.com?

Originally Posted by Hurryage65

Good job voting yes guys