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Old 01-06-2014, 09:05 AM
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On another note, I just heard, from a sim instructor that Endeavor had a class of 30 scheduled to start class today and only 4 showed!
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by KAVU
On another note, I just heard, from a sim instructor that Endeavor had a class of 30 scheduled to start class today and only 4 showed!
30? Really? Well that's a lot more than I thought were offered the job. Pretty funny though!
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:30 AM
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So in your estimation going too fast didn't have to do anything with it? The airport is only at fault? Why weren't there other planes in the ditch? I have (as part of a two person crew sitting in the right seat) inadvertently taxied onto a taxiway with nil breaking, pure black ice. The airplane was sliding sideways it was so slippery. We did not go off the taxiway and we were able to taxi to a de-iced surface because we were going so slow. Maybe something else happened, who knows, maybe ATC was putting pressure on them to get off the runway, maybe something mechanical happened but what is the likely scenario?
Not every situation is the same. You weren't there, I'm guessing you haven't experienced EVERY SINGLE PATCH OF ICE God ever put on the runway/taxiway. Keep judging the skills of others...you might find yourself one day staring KARMA right in the eye...
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Colganguy
One of my favorites was the MKE accident. Thankfully nobody died, but that Captains actions were directly attributed to Pinnacles training AND culture. Probably one of the most unbelievable accident chains I can remember.
it's the training departments fault that the guy didn't land at the nearest suitable airport, per QRH??
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by KAVU
On another note, I just heard, from a sim instructor that Endeavor had a class of 30 scheduled to start class today and only 4 showed!
Not quite... they had hoped to hire 30, only found 5 worth hiring. 4 of those 5 showed up.
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by WarpSpeed
Not every situation is the same. You weren't there, I'm guessing you haven't experienced EVERY SINGLE PATCH OF ICE God ever put on the runway/taxiway. Keep judging the skills of others...you might find yourself one day staring KARMA right in the eye...
No comments about skill, just comments about going too fast when exiting the runway. Nothing to do with skill. Learning from other's mistakes so we don't have to commit those same mistakes is paramount in aviation. I haven't experienced every visual approach on earth, that doesn't mean I'll be part of a crew that pulls the next Asiana.
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
it's the training departments fault that the guy didn't land at the nearest suitable airport, per QRH??
Oh come on, that airport was hardly suitable at the time.
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Old 01-06-2014, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by KAVU
On another note, I just heard, from a sim instructor that Endeavor had a class of 30 scheduled to start class today and only 4 showed!
I heard it was 50 and only 2 showed up.
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Old 01-06-2014, 10:33 AM
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Taxing a transport category aircraft is not something all Endeavor first officers have therefore are reluctant to get to involved barring an obvious danger like crossing a hold short or heading into a physical object. This is why I don't assign blame to the first officer when and aircraft slides off a taxiway. I am assuming of course that the captain was using a prudent speed.
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Old 01-06-2014, 10:58 AM
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If shyguy was the FO, I'd blame him. Otherwise, Colgan.
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