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How did I miss this one:

ST. LOUIS, Feb. 10, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- GoJet Airlines, a wholly owned subsidiary of Trans States Holdings, Inc., has announced that it has entered into an agreement with Delta Air Lines to operate seven Bombardier CRJ900 aircraft under the Delta Connection regional service brand. Deliveries are slated to begin in June of 2015 and continue through October.

ShyGuy

Although to be fair/factual since the Compass sale to TS Holdings and Mesaba to Pinnacle Corp, the careers of Compass/TSA/GoJet pilots has been far better than the careers of Mesaba/Pinnacle/Colgan. There's not even a comparison. Compass, TSA, and GoJets are expanding, hiring, and upgrading whereas Mesaba/Pinnacle/Colgan are downgrading and stagnant.

TeddyKGB

Tell that to the hundreds of 9E pilots who have gotten hired via the SSP program. I heard 6 FO's from 9E just got hired @ Delta due to the SSP program which has been expanded to include FO's. $20K per year bonuses and a fast track to Delta makes 9E not a bad place to camp out for the next few years. If your end goal is to go to Delta then you probably didn't do yourself any favors by switching from 9E to CZ in the last couple of years. Your crystal ball isn't any clearer than mine and only time will tell which airline actually offers better career advancement.

ShyGuy

The SSP worked for some pilots, and for every one success story you have there was one that was denied. Check the acceptance rate of the SSP when it started. The FO inclusion has been very recent and the numbers are yet to be seen. Apparently, many have been caught off guard (what they were doing sitting unprepared for the last several years - no one knows). But the complaint is it is too quick and too soon for them to go through the SSP.

As for the bolded portion, there's still no comparison with Compass. Delta allowed the flow to continue for all guys hired through the Aug 2010 sell date. Anyone at Compass hired prior to that date is guaranteed a flow/class at Delta without interviewing. After that date, everyone is guaranteed a Delta interview. Those that left for Compass a couple years ago are now CAs at Compass. Most junior CA is down to a Jan 2014 DOH. That's less than 18 months for those who left 18 months ago. The TPIC makes them competitive for other legacies as well in addition to a guaranteed Delta interview.

Again not my business but just keeping it factual in regards to TS Holdings of PSA/Compass/TSA versus Pinnacle Holdings Mesaba/Colgan/Pinnacle now Endeavor.

TeddyKGB

Most unsuccessful SSP interviews have been due to lack of preparation. I think just about every 9E Captain, who wanted, had a crack at the Delta interview. I know several who have even had a 2nd shot at it. Again, ask the hundreds of 9E pilots who are now at Delta who has had better career progression. Most CZ pilots are refugees from other airlines and haven't had the most stellar careers so far. I know a few 2nd year guys there who just upgraded and they were 8 year FO's at XJ/9E when they made the lateral move to CZ. Was it a good move? Trust me that they aren't jumping for joy about commuting to LAX to sit reserve for $60 an hour after 8+ years of 121 flying. 9E FO's around their original seniority are now getting Delta interviews. I don't blame them for jumping ship but I also don't believe that they just hugely sling shot their career like you. It's not like they were new hires right out of college. I don't know much about CZ but I heard they no longer have a guaranteed interview program? Maybe someone in the know can chime in on that. We all know your mantra shy towards 9E. Keep beating that drum if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Name User

ShyGuy bought his job to slingshot his career. Really not very fair to compare the two. It "paid off" for him, but I know quite a few guys who did the Gulfstream F/O thing. *Every* *single* *one* of them no longer work as a pilot.

I'm not sure what it is, but for some reason taking shortcuts like that attracts a certain subset of the population, guys who want things NOW and if they hit a hiccup in the road they just quit.

As for passing the interview, from my experiences at my own commuter, the vast majority of "lifer" CAPs are not very employable. It's not surprising that more F/Os are passing the interview vs. CAPs. Quite a few of the guys I flew with as an FO at my old commuter are still there, humping along.

AlaskaBound

This is actually a good post from ShyGuy. Being a CPZ captain opens up many more doors than a current 9E FO with a guaranteed interview, not a guaranteed job. CPZ captains now have TPIC and better pay. They are more competitive and make more money and current captains will be senior enough to never sit reserve and will have their choice of base by the summer time. The CPZ guaranteed interview is being negotiated right now (straight from the companies mouth) and they expect an LOA shortly.

Nantonaku

This might be true, I don't really care (as I imagine most Endeavor pilots don't care either) but you do understand the lunacy of your posts? You lecture us post after post how bad Delta treats their wholly owned companies, how the bonus from Delta could be gone tomorrow but yet you think Delta can't wait to offer a deal to a Trans State Holdings company for a preferential interview? Does that really make any sense to you? Why would Delta pen a deal with one of their contractors for preferential interviews with a company that also flies for American and they have no control over the hiring? Delta went in and setup the whole hiring process for Endeavor and yet they still aren't offering interviews to new hires. Really, do you read your own posts? Do you really believe what you write? I heard United is a couple weeks from setting up an LOA for flow for Horizon pilots.

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